Seven Days Too Long
It’s nearly over, readers. Just one more week of this to endure.
The most miserable Holyrood election campaign of all time will end next Thursday with an election which will deliver Scotland’s most miserable devolved government of all time. Only the exact form, colour and shape of the misery remains to be determined.
So as the SNP promise through forked tongues to cut the cost of living with a pledge they know full well they have no chance of being able to actually implement, while using the powers they DO have to INCREASE the cost of everything that makes life WORTH living, let’s look at exactly what flavour of dog vomit we can expect to be choking down along with our state-approved organic broccoli and fat-free gruel for the next half-decade.
These are our own, purely plucked from thin air, estimates of the likelihood of each possible outcome of next week’s election.
(1) SNP majority: 18%
(2) SNP minority, indy majority: 65%
(3) SNP minority, Unionist majority: 16%
(4) Any other outcome: 1%
(We’ve rounded that last one up from 0.1%.)
The least desirable of those outcomes is also, sadly, the most likely. John Swinney is DESPERATE to avoid an SNP majority, because it leaves him with no excuses when he fails to deliver the “100% guaranteed” second referendum he’s been promising.
It would, however, provide him with an excuse for another coalition with the Greens, which also lets him pretend that his hands are tied about pushing through their “social justice” agenda of super-fringe extremist bigotry opposed by the vast majority of the Scottish electorate.
The second-worst outcome is the second-most likely. The upside of an SNP majority is that it starkly exposes the fraud of that referendum pledge. However, the effect of that exposure is likely to be pretty minimal. Most SNP voters now don’t prioritise independence, so they’ll just shrug as Swinney sticks it on the back burner for another five years.
There’ll be fewer insane Green policies enacted, but that’s about it for good news. As the SNP desks in the chamber are filled with the sort of brainless career drones the party cultivated in the Sturgeon era as she ruthlessly expelled anyone of talent as a potential threat, even the rank incompetence of the last 10 years will take a sharp turn for the worse, and as the looming £5bn deficit crisis takes hold over the course of the Parliament, public services will suffer catastrophic cuts and failures.
The government will rapidly become toxically unpopular in much the same way that Keir Starmer’s UK administration has, but there’ll be nothing anyone can do about it for half a decade.
Outcome (3) is theoretically the best we can even slightly realistically hope for, but even that is a proper grade-A mess. Everyone with even a crumb of intelligence (including the few sane people still in the SNP) recognises that the SNP need a spell in opposition to recover their purpose, but the chances of that happening are slim, even in the already unlikely event of Unionist MSPs being in the majority. (Something that’s only a possibility at all because of the “Both Votes SNP” strategy.)
Whether Reform or Labour were the second-largest party it’s highly doubtful that the Unionist parties could marshal enough votes to make either Malcolm Offord or Anas Sarwar FM. So the most likely upshot of outcome (3) is – may God have mercy on all of our souls – another election, and honest to God if that happens we’re closing down Wings forever and going to live in a cave.
So, y’know, good luck, folks. With the exception of Fergus Ewing in Inverness & Nairn, we’re struggling to think of a single constituency candidate we could bear to vote for. Anywhere else we’d be spoiling our paper in the most creatively offensive way we could think of, or casting a purely token vote for an independent.
When it comes to the list, there are at least options. There’s zero prospect of any minor pro-indy parties getting seats, but then that’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. There’s nothing to LOSE by voting for any of them, so you could give it a punt, hope for a miracle and at least have a clear conscience.
If you vote for Unionist parties on the list you’re doing the exact same thing as Both-Votes-SNP-ers (increasing the number of Unionist MSPs) but at least you’d be doing it for a better reason – the longterm benefit of the independence movement – and not lying to yourself about it.
But the true, grim reality is that it simply doesn’t matter. There is nothing you can do next Thursday to meaningfully change anything in Scotland, and certainly not for the better. (The least HARM you can do is simply to NOT vote SNP or Green.)
The long-range weather forecast currently suggests a chilly (11C) day with a high chance of rain across the whole country, making staying home with a nice bowl of soup and a sandwich an attractive prospect, and we suspect if we lived there it’s the option we’d be taking.
We used to think this was overly cynical:
But these days it’s the moral choice. The collection of useless gravy-chasers trying to get elected next week will take every vote cast, however reluctant, as an endorsement. Pretty much all you can do right now is keep your own hands clean.
The muppets that keep voting SNP are still the majority, no idea why after the last few years.
While your description of SNP voters is accurate, they are NOT the “majority.” The polls for the last year have consistently shown the SNP support in the mid-30 percent range.
A plurality, perhaps, but not a “majority.”
Because yoons vote for them.
True story.
“They like their policies & they can still vote no in a ref”
Additional bonus points – permanent roadblock.
So it’s win, win, win for them on all three fronts.
The best of both worlds Cameron predicted.
Will swinney survive if he does not fet the overall majority
A leader with any integrity would resign. So, aye, Swinney will remain as leader. The gutless memebership will probably beg him to stay anyway.
Has the site of the fire in union street been examined to see if the buildings and roads are in a safe and secure condition?
If so could Swinney overrule the council or whoever has the authority to keep the cordon in place and get the street reopened,as the reports saying that it is to remain closed of till July are not good enough.
Yet the road at the hotel shooting in 2020 was closed of for about a week.
“… give it a punt…”
Yep,
the Alliance to Liberate Scotland.
That’ll do nicely.
For the first time ever since I was entitled to vote aged 18, I’m not voting in this election. I’m thoroughly sick of all the parties.
Me too…..There’s not one prospective SMP member in my constituancy that deserves my vote, So I’ll just stay at home knowing that no matter who gets in, that it’ll be shit for the few years.
Don’t vote. The government will get in.
BB fucking C keeping it classy
link to bbc.co.uk
“If you give both votes to the SNP, you’re voting for unionists,” Sheridan said.
“Don’t vote for unionists, vote for an independence party – vote for the Alliance to Liberate Scotland and make independence the priority for the next Scottish Parliament.”
The Scottish Greens also support independence, but Sheridan claimed they had “done absolutely nothing for independence over the last eight years”.
He added: “They don’t think independence is a priority – Alliance to Liberate Scotland BELIEVE IT IS THE PRIORITY.
“Because if you want to tackle poverty, if you want to tackle low pay, if you want to tackle our health service being underfunded, you need independence.”
– all the shite that Swinney tried to promise and backed down from, you can only do if you are indy, e.g. price controls on food – ye canny dae that in a market economy, but an indy country could have a network of state owned shops (like the coops) selling basics at low prices. (But this is what aldi/lidl do anyway, so its not a good point.)
Sheridan, who has previously made controversial comments about the IR4, H4m4s and H3zboll4h,
– SO FUCKING WHAT? your “controversial” is my “being a fucking human being with a moral core”.
said Alliance to Liberate Scotland was a “SINGLE-ISSUE” PARTY, AND THAT CANDIDATES COULD EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS HOWEVER THEY SAW FIT AS LONG AS THEY BACKED INDEPENDENCE.
– the buckaroo principle, remember that one?
chances are, whatever happens, you will be subject to all of the same – neoliberal economy wrecking nonsense from reform, student politics and perversion from the greens, and stuff-the-pension graft and status quo antics from the rest; voting ATLS will lose nothing. And the wider world of geopolitics is being driven by a TV personality in control of the last superpower, manipulated by blackmail – which the UK / EU has no say in.
But the sun is shining and golf is now possible.
These are my predictions for the coming years:-
1 Scotland will still be in the Union in 2031
2 Peter a bell will still be buying The National and calling it a Indy paper
3 We will be no closer to resolving the Alex Salmond stitch up
4 In the SNP manifesto for 2031, on Independence again will be a union trap for Scotland.
pessimism is just playing the odds, but it makes for a dull life
1. england is swallowed beneath the waves by 2030; it is now an archipelago, where each island holds one ethnic group – the anglo saxons are confined to the isle of wight
2. peter bell reads the beano, then wipes his arse with it
3. pranksters flying drones with weedkiller spray will write the names of the alphabetties in holyrood park, then the gig is up
4. the SNP and Greens and most of Holyrood will be in jail almost in its entirety, a combination of sexual offences, fraud and also new offences such as “oxygen thief” and “waste of protoplasm”
5. muslims and jews resolve their differences by converting to christianity; this doesn’t help much as the jews become prods and the muslims, catholic
6. aliens turn up; they have secretly been buying up the US national debt – they cart off the entire country to alpha centauri and world peace ensues
real predictions –
hearts to draw against rangers, motherwell, win against falkirk, lose to celtic – 78 pts
rangers to draw against hearts and celtic, win their last 2 games – 77 pts
celtic – draw against rangers, beat hearts, win their other 2 – 80pts
What also is upsetting is the fact that SNP have made themselves perfectly clear how a majority has to be obtained and two votes SNP is the only way they’ll ask Westminster for section 30 order.
So if you watch the video below the people this Paddy speaks to actually believes the SNP and the Greens form that super majority, no it doesn’t the SNP have made themselves clear in their manifesto.
This is a extract from the SNP’s manifesto:-
The only time Westminster has ever respected
Scotland’s right to decide was when, at the 2011
election, the people of Scotland delivered a
majority of SNP MSPs.
A vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum on
independence. Based on the 2011 precedent,
an SNP majority at this election is a mandate for
the transfer of powers to the Scottish Parliament
to enable an independence referendum to be held.
Now read this below:-
Your first SNP vote at this election will deliver
an SNP Government. It delivers a better NHS, GP walk-in clinics, help
with the cost of living, the first-time buyers’
deposit, a growing economy, and a massive
increase in childcare that leaves no one behind.
Now read this below:-
Your second SNP vote delivers independence.
So why does the men in this video who I believe one is from The Independence Forum, say the SNP has to give a date if they win a majority of Pro-Indy seats, this isn’t want the SNP manifesto is offering.
Independence isn’t going to happen in 2026 nor will electing SNP MP’s to Westminster and Westminster isn’t the problem its the SNP. So why do those who say they want Independence aren’t seeing what the rest of us are seeing?
youtube.com/watch?v=ObADBwxrjpU
Stu Campbell writes: “With the exception of Fergus Ewing in Inverness & Nairn, we’re struggling to think of a single constituency candidate we could bear to vote for.”
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Thanks, Stuart, for that stand-out ENDORSEMENT OF FERGUS EWING. Here is a short key speech by Fergus at Holyrood two months ago (regarding Mark Hirst):
‘FERGUS EWING RAISES THE JUDGEMENT OF LORD LAKE IN THE SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT’
link to youtube.com
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And here (posted 3 days ago) is a video update from MARK HIRST himself (he includes his opinion of the SNP hierarchy):
‘IONA THOUGHTS – THE COLLUSION THAT TOOK PLACE TO JAIL ALEX SALMOND WILL HAUNT THE SNP’ :
From info below video:
« In recent days fresh disclosures have been made public that highlight the extent of the collusion by senior members of the Scottish National Party (SNP) against their former leader, the late Alex Salmond.
« Few people, beyond the diehard supporters of the DevoUnionist SNP, now doubt there was an orchestrated campaign to destroy the reputation of the Party’s most successful leader and jail him over what ultimately proved to be unfounded and false allegations.
« But as Mark Hirst highlights in this short film, the tide has now turned and the truth will ultimately prevail.
« For those in the SNP who engaged in this collusion, some of whom described themselves under oath as being “soft on independence”, their actions will haunt the SNP for decades, along with the current leadership. »
link to youtube.com
To be clear, Fergus Ewing is of course standing as an independent.
If you van, vote for Fergus Ewing.
#No Votes SNP.
If you can, vote for Fergus Ewing.
#No Votes SNP.
Thanks for the links! I’ll catch up.
Fearghas I’m afraid I don’t share your enthusiasm about the integrity and honesty of Fergus Ewing , he along with Joanna Cherry, Philippa Whitford and others of similar integrity sat back in total SILENCE whilst the deviant scum and her entourage concocted numerous FALSE ACCUSATIONS designed to send Alex Salmond to prison probably for the rest of his life
Unfortunately their despicable vile actions did not result in the outcome they had hoped for, so they carried on unrelentingly harrying an innocent man and attempting to destroy his credibility and integrity which I believe led to the heart attack which ended his life
Alex Salmond may have been alive today and the dreams of Scots may have been fulfilled IF Fergus , Joanna , Philippa and the other integrity lacking troughers had spoken out and EXPOSED the TRUTH
‘SNP’S FERGUS EWING CLAIMS SIX CIVIL SERVANTS AND ADVISERS PLOTTED TO JAIL FORMER FIRST MINISTER ALEX SALMOND’ (By MIchael Blackley, Political Editor, Scottish Daily Mail, 8 Sept 2024)
« In a statement released yesterday, Mr Ewing, a former minister under both Mr Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, said: ‘The hounding of any individual is always abhorrent. But the concerted action taken against former First Minister Alex Salmond by a group of top civil servants, and by Scottish Government special advisers, apparently with the objective of ensuring that he was reported to the Crown with a view to his being charged with serious criminal offences, is in my view the greatest political scandal of my lifetime.’
« Mr Salmond was awarded £512,000 at the Court of Session in 2019 following a judicial review into the Government’s handling of complaints about him, which concluded that the process had been ‘tainted with apparent bias’.
« Mr Ewing said he believed the outcome proved that there had been ‘serious misconduct’ in the handling of the case by the civil service. In his statement, originally given to the Sunday Mail, Mr Ewing said: ‘The concerted actions revealed by documents already in the public domain demonstrate clearly that there was a determination to see that Alex Salmond was reported to the Crown Office to see him prosecuted – and jailed.
« FERGUS EWING CLAIMS THERE WAS A ‘GROTESQUE’ CAMPAIGN AGAINST ALEX SALMOND
« ‘Whatever happened to the duty of impartiality of the civil service? I find this campaign against Alex Salmond to be grotesque, bizarre, unprecedented and almost unbelievable. But it is all there in black and white… goodness only knows what further revelations will emerge when the whole truth is exposed.’
« Mr Ewing also said: ‘There are in my view at least six senior officials in the Scottish civil service, and current or former special advisers, who also have the gravest of questions to answer.’
« Earlier this year, Tory MP David Davis used parliamentary privilege in the Commons to read out a series of messages which he claimed pointed to a conspiracy against Mr Salmond.
« Mr Ewing said the UK Government has pledged that similar parliamentary privilege powers would be devolved to Holyrood. He added: ‘I wonder if the SNP Government will welcome this transfer of power to Holyrood…perhaps this will be, for them, a “devolution too far”.’
« He also claimed the Holyrood committee which held an inquiry into the issue had been ‘hamstrung by overt party partisanship’ and a long battle to obtain heavily redacted key documents from the Government. Mr Ewing added: ‘What happened was scandalous and wrong by any standards. The courts may yet determine whether what happened was also illegal.’
« A Government spokesman said: ‘It would not be appropriate to comment on live litigation.’ »
link to dailymail.com
They did and were silenced by various methods. As far as I am aware, all of them spoke out and suffered the consequences. The MSM were also complicit in spreading the allegations, trying to deny Alec any peace even after the trial had acquitted him. You are right that there were bad faith actors, but not these, TW. Call out the civil service, staffers and the top of the SNP, the NEC members, the media, et al. Don’t take the scattergun approach because you’ll hit the innocent along with the guilty.
No, Lorna. TH is right, as many didn’t speak out with any worth. Plenty supposedly pro returning Scotland to self-governance elected officials had parliamentary privilege so couldn’t be silenced, and even with that status they failed to step up, and it was left to Conservative David Davis to raise the matter two or was it three times in Westminster.
What was the play that even MPs of his own Alba Party, and a few old pre NuSNP MPs couldn’t be arsed to step up and call this shite out, and before they lost those privileged positions.
All it takes for evil to prevail and all that…
And we were to trust these individuals had the integrity to deliver ending London Rule…
When someone shows you they are a poundshop nationalist, best believe them the first time…
I’m happy , got eva comrie here to vote for, she will get my vote , hopefully get in on list
He will fet my first vote but will never see the second until the perjurer is in jail
The outcome of SNP election will be, Swinney failed again. He’s no Alex Salmond and why would he be, Alex was leader not a lackey for Sturgeon.
“a lackey for Sturgeon
Don’t you mean “a lackey” for the ‘Union’?
Independence is of course ‘radical’ in terms of totally transforming our society and governance which means Scots need to elect radicals such as Tommy Sheridan, Craig Murray, Eva Comrie and the other liberators standing for Alliance to Liberate Scotland.
As the Rev implies, electing another SNP colonial administration will only deliver another 5 years of bad laws that ‘mystify’ and oppress (i.e. haud doun) the people.
Have you seen this below?
link to neilslegalstuff.blogspot.com
Just wondered your thoughts?
The Crown as relating to the Kingdom of England seems clear enough, an thars nae doubt thon Croun is whit rules the roost here in Scotland theday.
I have not watched a single Party political broadcast or leaders’ debate..
Have I missed much?
Cynicus @ 17.39.
I’d guess that you have missed the opportunity to waste some hours of your life which you’d never get back again whilst listening to a load of has beens, never weres and delusional want to bes droning on about things they didn’t do and have no serious intention of ever doing.
FFS whats wae awe the girnin and defeatism , a canny vote for this yin or a canny vote fur this yin , there are people out there putting their own finances and credibility to the test on our behalf and yeese are moaning and complaining
FFS we awe know that the Scum bastarding Nonce Party are NOT interested in independence, they are happy to continue in the troughing WM piggery , gleefully waiting for the opporchancity to reintroduce the perverts charter which looks as though it will NOT go away , and ALL the nonces in HR will back it again
Awe the greetin and moaning will NOT change anything even NOT voting because they don’t give a fuck, FFS the uk midden is being run by arseholes who only got a miniscule vote from the electorate , there are more people who didn’t vote than those who did and all the parties aren’t about to change it because it suits them
I DON’T agree with everything Roddy McLeod or Alan Petrie says or believes but I will vote for their parties on the off chance that they WILL do something for Scotland
WHAT is the alternative FFS take a look at the shitehawks in ALL the other parties Swinney who has single handedly protected the deviant and pervert,Coal Scuttle “we did it for you BETH”, Sarwar the millionaire who moans about a lord who has 6 houses yet his company won’t pay a living wage,the millionaire lord who cannot wait to sell off the SNHS so he can become a BILLIONAIRE ,The Ginger fuckwit Greer who wants Marie McAllan to become the new leader of the Scum Nonce Party when the redactor goes
An Edinburgher posted on twitter that he was at a hustings and the ATLS candidate whenever he was asked a question replied INDEPENDENCE is the answer, he was mocking the guy and laughing at him , I responded that ALL the other candidates were making grandiose promises about what they were going to do when they got into power, how many of these grandiose promises will be enacted and how many of these LIES “because that is what they are” will just be forgotten
I will vote for an independent candidate who supports indy on the constituency vote because no one from ATLS or ISP is standing for the constituency, and I will vote for ATLS or ISP on the list
They may not be polished or grandiose but they have fight and grit and possible work experience in the real world and they are NOT Labour , Tory , Lib Dumbs , Green , Deform ,
So rather than moan and greet try helping some people who are at least TRYING to sort SCOTLAND
twathater @ 17.54.
“They may not be polished or grandiose” and, I’d add, not career or would be professional career politicians; surely the best possible recommendations for a chance of getting some genuine folk in that Factory of Delusions at Holyrood.
And we may yet be astounded at what even a few activists could achieve at that Cowards’ Castle if given the chance.
Alf says “Scots need to elect radicals.”
Alliance to Liberate Scotland made a huge mistake in parachuting in Craig Murray and Tommy Sheridan without the agreement of the other Alliance parties such as ISP. They are not so much radicals as “marmite” destined to split opinion and therefore the movement itself. Craig’s stance on women’s rights, for example, will ensure many voters will simply not vote for him.
Fergus would be my choice if I only lived in the right constituency. (sad face)
Are you not missing the point?
Agree to disagree on anything and everything except;
Independence, nothing else nothing less.
That’s the whole point of the alliance; if the divisive bickering goes on we’ll never get anywhere, and that’s all part of the unionist’s plan.
The trouble is James, that after 10 years and two Scottish parliament elections, there is now a choice of voting for ISP or ATLS in all but one of the Regions (South Scotland).
Posted this the other day, so folk could check out their own localities, to try to kerb idiots stating they aren’t going to vote for anybody because they are all shit without clarifying where they live…
Supposedly the most read Scottish political site and that question of dividing the list vote for pro-indy vote alternatives issue generated no comments.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
For years I’ve posted links to the ISP weekly bulletin which were generally always about Scottish matters when others were pissing away time running interference stating there was nothing going on, and thus kyboshing building any momentum to nurture alternatives to vote for.
Stu did not clear a post I made from being held in moderation in the main thread or OT. I was highly suspicious of why the feck ISP would come out with taking a highly contentious virtue-signalling position on a matter relating to an international conflict the week before Alba folded…
If ISP and ATLS couldn’t work together and unify to form a strategy that would give a better chance of success on the regional list vote, then I want to know why that didn’t happen so I can weigh things up and back the real horse and not the ringer.
Dan;
I’m south Scotland and have an ATLS choice on the list so they will get my vote, sadly there won’t be a ‘miracle’ where I am as the place is full of Tory/Reform voting English immigrants.
Maybe…..just maybe something might happen elsewhere, who knows. What a shambles.
Give them their due; the ‘British’ are good at killing things from the inside.
I’m just not going to bother voting. What an utterly depressing shower they all are, and I’m left completely politically homeless
@ Potace: not ALL the candidates are “an utterly depressing shower”. You’re right about the established parties but there’s independents, including those under the Alliance to Liberate Scotland such as Eva Comrie. Craig Murray and Tommy Sheridan as well. They certainly would speak up well in Holyrood – imagine the fear on the SNP faces when questioned by such intelligent, principled people! I’d pay to watch that!
Our only hope for independence is Farage becoming PM in England.
Please , please go and vote – spoil your ballot paper if no-one appeals – but please vote as even the spoiled papers have to be counted. It would be quite funny if there were more spoiled ballots than actual votes – maybe funny is the wrong word but it would sure send a pointed message!
I think Scotland is about to become the land that time forgot.
“the land that time forgot”
A valid point, but other important aspects remain in play for a subordinated people and culture who have lost their sovereignty and hence lost control of their destiny.
Many Scots still seem to have only a very primitive or rudimentary understanding of our colonial reality. A well controlled UK msm and ‘English’ education system is no doubt largely to blame for this ‘packaged consciousness’ of the people, much as it was in many other colonies.
As postcolonial theory confirms, ‘the coloniser re-writes the natives history for them’. And, since the period of colonisation ‘they are no longer a part of history’.
A colonised people are made ‘bystanders’ in their own land and also as far as events in the world around them is concerned, they are effectively ‘out of the game’.
Which brings us to the only two outcomes for any colonised people: if colonialism and cultural assimilation continues, the people, their nation and culture will continue to perish, or; they will reclaim their sovereignty and become liberated.
The creation of Alliance to Liberate Scotland Party and the separate Liberation Scotland/Salvo initiative at the United Nations reflects this better understanding of Scotland’s colonial condition by the people.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
I did vote for Fergus, its not that I don’t like what the SNP used to stand for, its more that I detest what they have become.
As far as I can see all the parties are promising the earth with no clue about whare the money will come from (more taxes)
I was also amused to see a definition of what the Greens defined as the super rich they are going to soak, basically anybody with a decent job who pays taxes.
FFS
What is up with you lot?
Vote ATLS.
Simple.
“Independence, nothing else”.
Isn’t that what we are crying out for as opposed to “Honest” John mincing on about homophobia and racist comments??
Get a life, virtue signalling twats built on the back of an abandoned movement and cause..
If you don’t vote for it, it won’t build!
Do you think the SNP (real SNP that is) arrived recently courtesy of a stork or the tooth fairy?
Those of us who’ve been about for a bit have built things up from the start; this time ID the cling-ons and spongers in advance.
Lessons learned!
No effort, no motivation then GTF next election candidate selection around.
Root them oot..
And don’t go anywhere near the pervert Greens with a bargepole!
So vote for a tiny micro-party which is vanishingly unlikely to win any seats, when you could instead vote against the SNP and help to bring an end to the moribund state which Scottish politics and the independence movement has been sliding into for the last 10 years.
Also, “nothing else” is not going to work. It is again vanishingly unlikely that the Alliance is going to go from zero to a majority in one election cycle. In that intervening period therefore should they succeed in getting MSP’s elected, they’ll need to participate in policy making and governance, and do so in a way that inspires trust and confidence in the electorate. What “nothing else” screams to me (and to many others) is “we can’t agree on even the basics” and which is no basis for a successful political movement.
“What “nothing else” screams to me (and to many others) is “we can’t agree on even the basics” and which is no basis for a successful political movement.”
Isn’t it the case that ISP and AtLS compete against one another, despite both being tiny entities, both more or less standing for the same thing – and both chasing the same (likely tiny) voter base?
As you say, “can’t agree on even the basics”? Sounds like your typical left wing splinter politics to me then? (See also “Your Party” for details).
Scotland – much like the wider UK – needs competent, wide consensus, grown up politics – preferably served with a generous side portion of emotional intelligence and nous. If Alba failed miserably, which it did, what makes anyone think either of these outfits will fare any better?
Exactly CC, both “parties” are really just a collection of independents standing under a broad banner. The problem is, standing as an independent candidate is extremely difficult. In 2024 around 1,000 independent candidates stood for Parliament. In EVERY UK-GE since 1950, only around 20-30 candidates have ever won a seat. So the chance of a breakthrough of independent candidates, at least judging by historical standards, is very low.
Things could at least be different if a) there was a solid majority for independence and b) independence was the number one political issue in Scotland. However, neither of those things are true. The latter isn’t even true amongst those who vote SNP!
Be careful what you wish for. Five years of a unionist majority could do untold damage to what remains of Scotland.
Jezo they’re back.
Read the posts.
You aren’t welcome here. GTF the pair of you.
Sorry fat stinker are you telling me where I am and am not welcome? You don’t have authority over your own bowel moments let alone anyone else’s actions. If you don’t like it go kick rocks, clown.
AI Dun and Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone
All parties start small, that’s life.
I believe I made that pretty clear in my post if you’d actually read it as opposed to just biting like belt fed crocodiles..
Pair ae fustilugs..
I’m aware YL that all parties start small, but think also how many countless political parties have been started and achieved nothing, then faded into oblivion. The exactly trajectory for example, Your Party is on. We’re also talking parties led by highly competent well known figures, with a public platform and access to significant funding (e.g. Alba).
The thing with the Alliance is;
a) they appear to have no serious political strategy; and
b) I don’t see how their approach of independence, nothing else, works when they are seeking election as MSP’s where they have to take policy decisions.
Is there plan not to actually take their seats in Holyrood like Sinn Fein?
“All parties start small, that’s life.”
Well, the word on the street is you know all about “being small”, Rambo. I’ll defer to your considerable expertise. 🙂
AI Dun & 4.02
Somebody has to unambiguously hold the SNPs feet to the fire about actually striving for independence at Holyrood.
At present that is not happening. Just gets pulled out at elections then thereafter treated like an embarrassment.
That’s Tricky Nicky’s legacy.
If they manage that then it’s votes we’ll cast.
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @ 2.48
Oh I’m perfectly comfortable to be rated as smaller than you Wilma thunderthighs, heck, most of the country is!
Fustilugs..
“Maaaaaate”
Aww! Rambo’s triggered *again*…
Good grief, you’re such a fragile little twerp aren’t you. Looks like my original remark went over your head, too – but then most things do, eh.
Bless. 🙂
AI Dun @ 2.30
PS: Sinn Fein I believe take their seats at Stormont (not Westminster).
It’s the Unionists now they’re losing majority votes who have taken to not attending Stormont in the huff (it’s our ball an’ that)..
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @ 3.35
“Maaaaaate”..
Yes and that’s perfectly sensible YL, but the Alliance isn’t going to hold the SNP to account when it comes to independence because nobody in the SNP is going to feel their position is at threat due to the Alliance. Even in the very remote event that the Alliance get a few seats, those will be on the list where (as this site has explained) the SNP aren’t really in the running anyway. It would therefore take a huge number of people to switch to the Alliance to make a serious impact and given the people involved, the campaign effort etc. I just can’t see that happening.
In contrast, a much smaller number of independence, previously SNP supporters could have much more of an impact if they voted against the SNP and made clear to the SNP that that’s what they were doing. You have to think for example (and I know I am choosing the most favourable example) in Ayr: 86 SNP voters switching SNP to Tory (I appreciate holding their nose) deprives the SNP of a seat (ceteris parabus), but 86 voters on the list voting for the Alliance does nothing.
AI Dun @ 4.09
They wouldn’t have to hold their nose if they voted for the alliance and similar and be able to hold their head high that they hadn’t stooped to giving the Tories an opportunity to crow that they are on the up..
Nope – but then of course the status quo would prevail and Scotland would be further and further away from being an independent country.
AI Dun @ 4.44
How so?
Account for that..
I’d imagine those who vote alliance on the constituency ballot would have previously voted SNP so their vote goes down.
Stop bamboozling people into voting for the failing and flailing Tories, sort yer own voter base out..
Because Alliance are not a threat to the SNP at the levels their support is at at the moment! Nobody in SNP HQ will be worried about them, they won’t take any SNP seats. I’m not saying vote Tory, I’m just using the example of the smallest SNP majority (which happens to be an SNP-Tory marginal) to illustrate that a small number of people can have a significant impact on the outcome of the vote, if they use their vote wisely.
AI Dun @ 5.23
But you suggested disenfranchised SNP voters voting elsewhere would tip the balance in the constituency you quoted..
And the bottom line is, no matter how hard you try otherwise, you just don’t know how many will vote for alliance so your post election prediction is both premature and fundamentally flawed..
Aye Y Lochnivar.
Aidan trying to distract, disrupt and divert. For all the AI generated pish it posts it doesn’t seem to comprehend the concepts of holding the balance of power and/or being kingmaker, which are very useful tools in holding power to account. And you don’t require huge vote shares to get into those positions within the Scottish Parliament voting system.
Also makes this site’s lack of interest in helping to develop a genuine pro-indy political force which could help stop all the genderwoowoo quicker even more questionable.
Oh yes Dan you have me worked right out mate, don’t let me “divert” or “distract” you from whatever exceptionally important mission you might be on
YL , how dare you question the suggestions put forward by AyDan & his top cheerleader and MaaaaTe , they are only trying to edumacate us poor dumb Scots who want independence
They are only trying to help, proposing that we vote for one of the unionist parties, it doesn’t matter which one,they aren’t fussy because every one of the unionist parties are just as shit as the snp, the ONLY thing that matters is that it is a unionist party, who will ensure that independence gets further away into the bushes , but you might consider voting for the Deform party because they haven’t had a chance at fucking the uk up and who knows they all seem to be so well off and persons of honesty and integrity
Their message appears to be that they know it doesn’t matter what unionist party is in power including the Scum Nonce Party they are ALL fuckwits ruining the whole of the uk and if we Scots manage to free ourselves from the vile uk they will be devastated that they are left on the sinking uk TITanic with ALL their engerlish MAAATTTES
“the sinking uk TITanic”
Freudian slip or spending too much time studying Polanski’s pre-political gibberish?
can anyone tell me how to get rid of Microsoft cretinous news , which pops up every time I open a new window?
I have just read ,on that news feed , that Trump is a front runner for the Nobel Peace Prize. If true then some in the world are completely blind , stupid or bought much like those who refuse to question that a certain M.E country’s actions might have an affect on what is happening here.
@diablo
Get a Linux/Ubuntu installation.
Unless you are a gamer or run some esoteric Windows-only software, you can easily make the switch.
When we had some trouble with Bill Gates demanding payment to continue using software we had paid for already, we switched to Ubuntu, and happily used this for around 5 years.
I also installed this for a middle-aged “new internet user” who kept bricking PCs by going to porn sites and downloading fake antivirus software – once he made the change, he had no more security issues.
Unless you have some cast-iron reason to use Windows, consider giving it the boot altogether.
Install Firefox, Chrome or some other internet browser.
AS A GESTURE TO THE K&Q of ENGLAND, Trump cuts tax on uisge beatha…..that great foreign owned export.
Did you know that it was a Scot who got the Japanese interested in railways & Scots were significant in the Meiji modernization process.
The Japanese make excellent whisky among many other things,
The Japanese might assist Scotland in its attempt to catch up with modernity.
I seen this article, “I’m one of thousands leaving England to live in Scotland” am I the only one who thinks this is a major problem?
For me upon Independence, straight away I would instruct all those living in England that have a holiday home in Scotland to either sell it or it will be sold for them.
She goes on to say, The Scottish will be mad at me for encouraging more people to move to Scotland – in a gentle, good-humoured way.
link to msn.com
Yup – the insanity of the current SNP policy to incentivise working people to move south and retirees to move north. It will be extremely difficult to do anything about this post-independence if Scotland stays part of the ECHR, due to Article 1.
As Albert Memmi wrote, the colonizer only moves to a colony ‘for an easier life’ and ‘to make a profit’.
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
@Alf – isn’t that basically why anyone moves anywhere?
Most countries sensibly impose restrictions on foreign ownership of property/land especially where this would tend to disadvantage the indigenous population, and also where much larger migrant populations are concerned, which as we see in Scotland has resulted in a housing crisis and other negative effects.
«DESPITE the important role played by members of the national bourgeoisie in the fight for independence, Fanon held that it would play a retrograde role upon coming to power»
link to jacobin.com
Fanon’s ideas mark the steps of the kasbah in the cathartic Battle for Algiers.
With Scotland filling up with «tête blanche» settlers the parallels with Algeria become more clear. Scotland position in modern Europe is very much that of third world type.
That is absolutely true Alf, but that’s a different proposition from dispossessing people of property they now already lawfully owned and acquired through lawful means.
Colonialism is described as ‘legalized lawlessness’ (Elkins), which raises questions about what may be deemed ‘lawful’ by a dominant power.
England is clearly a very crowded small country in socio-economic difficulty whilst Scotland controlled by England’s government is viewed as a ‘useful’ territory in a number of respects, not least for population management. Higher migration from England to Scotland clearly benefits the former more than the latter.
According to postcolonial theory, once a colony becomes independent, many of the colonizers ‘no longer certain of their privileges’ tend to return to the ‘mother country’ (Memmi), along with some of the more assimilated collaborative natives, whilst some ‘banished natives’ tend to return to their homeland.
Hence a colony might reasonably expect some population change post independence.
“a colony might reasonably expect some population change post independence”
No shit, Sherlock!
Remind us again. Just how many third-world immigrants does the current Scottish Government think we need to drag us kicking and screaming into the progressive twenty first century?
What are the bookie’s odds on the current Scottish Government sitting on another 5-year sinecure this time next week?
Does your encyclopedic knowledge of Memmi enable you to join the dots, or are you stumped?
You might want to remember that “the current Scottish Government” is merely a colonial administration, and what that usually means for a native population under colonial rule.
“You might want to remember”
You might want to address the arguments presented.
In case it’s you that can’t remember:
“What are the bookie’s odds on the current Scottish Government sitting on another 5-year sinecure this time next week?”
Heck, Alf. Teach yourself to cope with arguments and best them using logic, knowledge and wit, and you might even convert more people to your cause.
Always assuming that’s what you really want.
Because, genuinely, I wonder. Most of the regulars on here come across as the kind of clique who recoil in horror at the thought of expanding the membership. Because that would destroy the exclusive club they run just for themselves.
“Remind us again. Just how many third-world immigrants does the current Scottish Government think we need to drag us kicking and screaming into the progressive twenty first century?”
Cause & effect, Shiteface.
You cheer at blowing up their homes, destabilising their mothersland & you even cheer when a blow-ins takes away their homes.
For that you must take the fall out. Those who shit the bed must clean up after themselves. That’s taking in a fair share of refugees & any migrant crisis fleeing warzones THEY STARTED. Nothing progressive about it – Colonisers like to put a more charitable sounding label on things. They’re not being charitable. It’s a requirement of being in International clubs like the United Nations & signing up to their charter.
It’s the same with your taxes paying for the rebuild of the shit they blow up. It’s not international aid, grants or any other fancy names they like to give it – it’s cause those who blew it up foot the bill.
Remember this next time you wanna play armchair general. Less cheering & more pondering the consequences is what you should be doing.
Scotland needs to block the English moving here for retirement & renter landlords. They’re of no benefit to Scotland other than to fck up the vote & fleece Scotland out of property & services. We’re now paying twice for them. Another colonial trick.
@Alf
There’s some kind of eejit above pretending to be you.
SCOTLAND does not need more WASPS on mobility scooters.
You can only amigine what the next 5 yrs will bring under the SNP and Green government and it’ll be Scotland and the Scots who’ll suffer all because people can’t see the damage the SNP and Greens are going.
It won’t be long before they out number us 2-1.
You can only imagine what the next 5 yrs will bring under the SNP and Green government and it’ll be Scotland and the Scots who’ll suffer all because people can’t see the damage the SNP and Greens are going.
It won’t be long before they out number us 2-1.
“SCOTLAND does not need more WASPS on mobility scooters”
Maybe you should visit Scotland, TURABDIN.
For every WASP on a mobility scooter I’ll show you two followers of the religion of peace on illegal e-bikes.
Sure, some of the illegal e-bikers are delivering takeaways. We have to guess what the others are delivering.
“SCOTLAND does not need more WASPS on mobility scooters.”
LOL!
Sad but true.
It wouldn’t be so bad if they were struck mute on entry. I’m sick of hearing how they don’t like Scots, Scottish politicians, Scottish language, Scottish schools, Scottish neighbours ruining their view & Scottish weather.
“You’ve got to be aware that the teasing of the English is the Scottish sense of humour and there’s no vitriol in it…”
Eh, there absolutely is… check out the many, many historical Anglo/Scottish wars.
I used to have distant English relations – due to an anomalous marriage carried out in secret by a black sheep in our family (a marriage thankfully now dissolved)… and I could not fucking stand the pricks.
The Scots and the English are two very different peoples who were never, in the entire evolution of humankind, meant to mix and merge… not ever.
At the very least the Scots and English have been at war continuously for two hundred years and sporadically for centuries before that – we’re just having a short three century break at the moment to catch our respective breaths until hostilities resume as soon as the Scots declare their independence and their liberation from English oppression and colonial rule.
At that point the English will viciously attack the Scots, yet again, and we’ll all be back on the ‘battlefield’ slogging it out… God, I miss those days.
Most indigenous Scots hate the Inglis – even the ones they might, by some misfortune or other, be related to – many just don’t know it yet; and the ones who do know…well, they just can’t remember why they hate them.
Three centuries is too long a break from the fighting, perhaps.
The resulting affspring produced whin the seed o the Scots and that o the English is mixt thegither is an abomination in the een o The Lord, being naither man nor beast, but some eldritch creatur unplanned in heiven atween the twa that wis niver intendit by God tae roam aboot His Earth.
Your tiny deluded mind cannot possibly think that your life would be in anyway better if a war started with England can it? Let me guess you’ve got this idea that you’d be Field Marshall in charge of the whole thing? Lol, you’d be stacking sand bags and emptying toilets.
Good God!
First… far from being tiny and deluded, my mind is vast and crystal clear and far, far beyond the scope of your meagre intellect’s comprehension.
Second, you are surely Inglis AI software programmed by dim-witted Inglis programmers and not American AI software programmed by dim-witted American programmers as I initially thought, AI Dan.
Either that or you are some abominable hack resulting from rogue Scottish code mingling with some rogue English code to create a monstrous dim-witted and literal ‘thinking’ artifeecial man.
Your dim-wiitedness and literal thinking chips have evidently been activated and are running over-clocked, over-heated, and over-extended to a point far beyond their operational limitations.
Only an Inglis (the Inglis being the most literal minded race on the planet… narrowly beating the Yanks) would consider my, admittedly uber-facetious, comment a genuine viewpoint.
Although, having said, that there is a long and thoroughly documented history of wars between the Scots and the English.
Here’s what grammarcheck’s ‘AI generated test’ says about my comment:
Score: 74% likely AI (review):
Fair enough… I was trying to sound clever. Looks like grammarcheck’s AI is smarter than AI Dan.
Oh my mistake, it’s just that all of your posts are so verbose, boring and absurd that it’s hard to draw a line between those that are intentionally stupid and those that are unintentionally so due to your own deficiencies.
“Oh my mistake…”
That’s a pretty weak retort… you’re no fun to play with.
In fact, none of the current crop of unionists (colonialists if preferred… same thing) provide much in the way of sport in this place.
Even when you’re all trying to make serious points your limp, joyless rhetoric and easily defeated arguments seem deliberately designed to send us liberation seeking Scots to sleep.
Even the odd well-prepared point or two would be something at least.
Trust us Scots to be colonised by the least entertaining folk on planet Earth.
Yes, your life must be pretty dull indeed, Northcode.
I imagine you must reminisce frequently upon your halcyon days back in the “Roaring Twenties”, when you were a shit cook in France? 🙂
@CC – do you get the sense that Northcode is moving from charming simpleton to banal troll? I used to enjoy his/her earlier works a little, I’m afraid it’s now becoming repetitive and boring.
He’s always come across as an exceedingly bitter, verbose troll to me.
Granted, he’s not as bad as “Geri”, YL or James, but that’s hardly saying much.
Fat Slag Wilma Flintstone @ 5.01
Were you crying as you typed that?
Oh dear..
… your life must be pretty dull…you must reminisce frequently upon your halcyon days back in the “Roaring Twenties”…
Almost as dull as yours, I suspect, Captain.
I was, indeed, one of the worst cooks in France in the late nineteen twenties.
Why, I remember Poirot and I would wander the hot, summer evening streets of a perfumed Paris looking for willing flappers and vendors of cheap fish and perished vegetables; fish and vegetables with which I might replenish my restaurant’s kitchen.
Poirot, of course, was a Belgian and consequently had little in the way of luck with the ladies.
I however – appearing sartorially magnificent in my hem-weighted, swaying, clan-coloured, cock-cooling kilt – had my pick of petite and pretty Parisian femme fatales.
To this day, I believe, there has not been a shittier cook in France than was I in the days of my youth… those wonderful summer days in Paris a mere decade before all hell broke loose across Europe and the stories of my abysmal cuisine were replaced with tales of a rather more devastating nature.
Happy days, indeed… old age is a hell all to its own, is it not my dear Cavecreature?
“He’s always come across as an exceedingly bitter, verbose troll to me…do you get the sense that Northcode is moving from charming simpleton to banal troll?”
Variety is the spice of life.
I’m growing tired of my ‘charming simpleton’ and ‘exceedingly bitter banal troll’ personas, anyway.
I might call upon the spirit of Ernest Hemingway soon and have a go at ridiculing you colonialists with that persona… or maybe I’ll go full on Shakespeare, we’ll see.
Although, to be honest, it would hardly take a Hemingway, or indeed a writer of greater ability than a keyboard bashing chimp to defeat any unionist argument in this place… or any other place, frankly.
“us liberation seeking Scots”
One day, Northy, everybody who remembers the weeks and months you devoted on here to self-identifying as a Pict will be deid.
But until that day, you will seldom get to claim kinship with the Scots unchallenged.
Boo fucking hoo.
Ah, touché! Made me laugh. Good lad. 🙂
You’re more of a “douche” I’d say….
The individual in article is an economic migrant who sees better opportunities here in Scotland that is financially beneficial to her and once more profitable opportunities arise elsewhere in the UK, which she has mentioned in the article, she’ll be elsewhere.
Her talk of ‘community’ though is laughable. The community she talks about is only for those who agree with her views and she certainly won’t be mixing with the diverse groups in the area she in living and certainly not with anybody on this site.
My choice in the constituency is SNP or one of 5 English based unionist party candidates. Isn’t it wonderful being an independence supporter in Scotland.
We need to find a pejorative for ‘English based unionist’
‘County Lines’ or just simply ‘Colonial’
What would really shake them up at Holyrood is if everyone pissed off with the state of Scottish politics went out and voted reform. On second thoughts, that might hand reform an overall majority and we don’t want that do we?
Depends on wether you want a health service dunnit?
Like tax cuts for the rich and service/benefit cuts for the poor?
Then vote Fish Face.
Desperate times call for desperate measures. A vote for anyone other than reform is a vote for the status quo. If you’re happy with the status quo then go ahead and give both votes to the SNP. On the other hand, if you’re minded to punish Swinney for his inaction and complacency then consider all available alternatives.
“tax cuts for the rich”
Shame you have no useful talents and lack the capacity to hold down a job.
If you ever worked, you’d know that ordinary, working Scots are desperate for tax cuts too.
“Alan M” – thanks but I’d rather have a health service.
“John Main” – Away and take a flying fuck to yourself.
I know that I’m a slow learner, but the obvious answer to this d’hondt groundhog day is staring everyone in the face.
Portuguese author José Saramago got his novel ‘Seeing’ published in 2004. The story begins with a parliamentary election, in which the majority (83%) of the populace cast blank ballots. The first half of the story focuses on the struggles of the government and its various nameless members as they try to simultaneously understand and destroy the amorphous non-movement of blank-voters.
What could be simpler than that?
I’m truly astonished that you know so little about Scotland and the Scots that you would believe 83% of Scots could ever agree about anything.
I know little about Portugal. Is it perchance an artificial country, inhabited by mutually hostile tribes, divided by religion, language and ethnic origin from each other?
Is it an accident of historical conquests, defeats and dynastic alliances, largely held together by post-imperial inertia, likely to fission into at least four parts in the not so distant future?
Because Scotland is all of these things.
“…I know little about Portugal….”
You, sunshine, know little about anything.
As each day passes, Reform UK manage to flush themselves further down the pan. Their % rating in polls is dropping. Not fast enough to prevent them getting seats in Holyrood, more’s the pity. But with years until a Westminster election, they’ll likely be a withered turd by then.
One would have thought the Lady boys and the attempted brain washing of children would have been enough for most people. The marching up and down the hill would have switched a few brain cells on.
The fear of Reform is spreading quicker than monkey pox at a gay orgy.
I will not be voting for any political party because they are all corrupt controlled Private Corporations just like the Governments, Councils, Courts etc working to the same agenda and it is a laugh how so many people are spouting on about independence when NO country has achieved independence for hundreds of years and all of the wars and FAKE terrorism has been to take over the countries that the MAFIAS that own and control our countries and most of the planet don’t control. The biggest laugh is the people that think that the US owns and controls the UK when the US is owned and controlled via the Federal Reserve and “British” – actually Vatican – Bar Association via the Vatican’s City of London Private Corporation – the ACTUAL Crown – that is NOT part of the UK just as Washington DC Private Corporation is NOT part of the US also owned and controlled by the Vatican MAFIA.
REAL independence is where every country is printing their own debt and interest and inflation FREE money with NO need for any taxes – of course any leader that tried to do this was assassinated or any country that actually did it was taken out and their leaders and country demonized ever since with lies and propaganda to cover this up. That is why they are lying about Russia and Iran just now as they need to take them out to bring them into this SCAM Debt and Interest and Inflation system and bring in their NWO One World Communist Social Credit Government.
Scotland would be independent tomorrow if the people were aware of this massive SCAM that has enslaved them like everyone else – only the dumbest unionist would still vote to remain part of this SCAM UK where the Government is borrowing £TRILLIONS of NOTHING printed out of thin air with interest and inflation on top making everyone worst off every year that they are alive and SCAM taxes on top to pay off that totally FAKE debt. Of course the people need to get out of their political party cults and start to use their brains to want to realize this and all other TRUTHS being used to control them and keep them down and divided.
Here is a present for you Stu and everyone else that wants to use their brains re the SCAM banking/Financial System and the road to REAL independence :
link to ia800701.us.archive.org
By the way it is NOT just that religion that is involved in all of that as our present King and his mother previously were involved as well as they are just puppets of the Pope/Vatican and the Rothschilds run this SCAM on their behalf. These MAFIAS are dividing the people with everything that is going on just now to keep them fighting each other so as not to realize who is really behind it all and what is really going on.
Could someone advise me on the most constructive way to spoil a ballot? What I’m looking for is the nearest thing you can get to an official vote for “none of the above”. Asking b/c I’m unsure what would count as a deliberately spoilt ballot which would be counted and registered as such, instead of just being discounted as someone just messing about?
ATLS has candidates in my area (most prominently T. Sheridan) who is a good speaker but only if the audience is left inclined. It’s not just a case of independence as long as it’s my kind of independence, it’s just that I simply couldn’t vote for leftist bs pie in the sky using other peoples money. If ATLS had broader appeal it might be different.
JCD
If you can’t bring yourself to vote for Tommy then just sharpie in large letters across the ballot “end the Union”.
Candidates apparently get to see the spoiled papers so Tommy will no doubt shake his head and mutter something about horses and water though..
“sharpie in large letters across the ballot “end the Union””
Good God! Does it really fall to me to have to correct this?
It should be “Stop pretending the mythical Union exists”.
Honestly, YL. It’s as if all those posts, for all those years, insisting that the Union doesn’t exist, have just passed you by.
@JCD
Agreed Tommy Sheridan is a good speaker as long as the audience can’t answer back. A bunch of old obese ladies was the last time I saw him speak. Shouting and gripping his fist in defiance. Unfortunately for him he has been convicted of 5 charges of Perjury and spent time in prison. Now leading the Scottish Independence Movement. Usurped ISP and every other Independence inclined Candidate without agreement.
Whatever happened to doing his time & moving on? Aren’t Christians supposed to be charitable & believe in rehabilitation, George? You seem to have a real bee in yer bonnet about him.
As for ISP, it seems to be them who continue to push in & want to be king pin, standing candidates regardless of others already choosing.
ISP is a political party. ATLS in not. It’s a collective of independents with one mission.
Spoiling the ballot, sure, it’s your vote but let’s no forget it’ll go to Yoon instead. (I include SNP & Green under that label too) & Dare I say, now is not the time. There’s some right roasters about that could do serious damage. I’d feel differently if we weren’t living in dangerous times but we are – so useless yer vote wisely. Imo. If of Independent mind – vote the real independent candidate. If yer a Yoon – spoil yer paper cause they’ll win anyway.
“Aren’t Christians supposed to be charitable & believe in rehabilitation”
They defo don’t believe in the gas chambers for those they disagree with.
Unlike you.
So that disqualifies you from any discussion of Christian morality.
But hark at my Christian charity! Most people would say holders of your opinions should be disqualified from public discourse. End of.
But again, I prefer you broadcasting your biases, tribal prejudices and ignorance loud and clear. We Scots need to know what lurks in the slime beneath the Indy movement.
The gas chamber again eh? Do you never bore yourself tae death playing yer banjo again?
Treacherous liars & devious tractors are languishing in the ninth circle of hell. The ultimate betrayers & destroyers to ppl & of everything – just for their own selfish ends.
Life’s losers that are racist & cheer on the killing of innocents being burned alive are down there too. Wearing a massive big millstone round their neck & repeatedly thrown in the sea for eternity. You’d think you’d remember that bit eh? You being Christian an’all. It was a pretty big warning.
You don’t possess Christian charity. Who are you trying to kid? You’re a demonic, racist fuckwit. A knuckle dragging Yoon & it never fails for them to start showing their true colours. Every accusation is an admission eh? Projecting again.
“The gas chamber again eh? Do you never bore yourself tae death playing yer banjo again?”
Not where you’re concerned, Geri.
You and Confused scheming together on here to devise portable gas chambers for those Scots you disagree with was a momentous and memorable low.
So now you want to disavow it. Could there be an election coming up?
All the better time to keep your personal failings under the spotlight IMO. Scotland is free to make a choice to support the likes of you, your values and your policies.
But it is absolutely essential that if Scotland does so, it does so from a position of knowledge, and fore warned.
I disavow nothing. I’ll gladly play tour guide Barbie if yer going to take everything literally. That’s so your type. You’ll cry about that now for eternity. Go ahead. No one cares. Funny thing is I doubt a single fucking soul would miss you. Either on here or in real life.
You’re a scourge on society. Lower than vermin. A warhawking, racist, lying, propagandist wanker with zero moral compass & compassion for others. Thankfully you are in the MINORITY. So go crawl back into yer pond.
Stop clutching yer pearls. You’d gladly champion a whole fleet of vans given the chance for Yessers, foreigners, brown people, Muslims, refugees, the sick, ppl you considered scroungers & all of their offspring to *your* taxes that you think holds up the entire world. Funny thing is, it’s magical taxes you pay that allows you to post shite 24/7 on a chat forum. A Walter Mitty that’s to be pitied. Even Jesus would disavow you. He was brown & a refugee too. Remember that next time you Bible thump.
Be off with you, ya fanny. Back to yer hillbilly banjo & play us all another knuckle dragging tune. In fact don’t. Get yersel back to whatever sectarian hell you blew in from. Cretin.
Heh. Hot on the heels of “Geri” quoting forum rules for personal attacks, here he/she is extolling their supposed moral compass – from truly one of the most repugnant people I have had the misfortune to interact with. As Aidan said the old day, you’ve got some neck matey.
Absolute state of you people, vomiting hate 24/7, into the wee early morning hours (again). You’re unhinged.
Fuck me Geri – that’s nuts even for you! Have you been to bed yet?
Fuck me Geri – that’s nuts even for you! Have you been to bed yet?
@CC – we’ve been told off by Dan AND James for “distracting”. I wonder what sordid and depraved activity James is being distracted from.
What’s the collective noun for three unionist pricks in a row on a Scottish independence website?
Is it “three pricks”?
James @ 9.51
“Shower of b8st8rds” is what yer looking for James..
“I disavow nothing.”
Ouch!!
I suspect even God Himself is having a divine chuckle at Geri’s devilish comment.
Geri puts a ‘cheeky’ poster in their place with a flaming dollop of burning rhetorical flourish and a dash of withering polemic .
“Back to yer hillbilly banjo & play us all another knuckle dragging tune.”
This line from Geri’s scathing comment alludes, I believe, to a famous scene from the movie, Deliverance, of “squeal like a pig” fame.
By the way, the line “squeal like a pig” is spoken in the movie during a disturbing scene.
The exact origin of the line is unclear, with some attributing it to Bill McKinney, who played the character Mountain Man, while others say it was suggested by Ned Beatty.
Anyway, here’s what an AI detector says of Geri’s gut-puncher comment.
I don’t think AI literature checkers always get it right, but this AI analysis of Geri’s comment hits the mark.
If you despise “leftist” politics so much then why the desire to spoil your ballot paper, as there are still plenty of options to maintain the status quo with authoritarian creep, and right wing politics having sold pretty much everything of value and worth off to foreign or big corporate interests, and thus rendering the country into the shit state it is now.
What politician isn’t marmite though. Folk are never going to agree with every single any politician masquerades as holding. The best we’ll get is hopefully have the centre ground between the differing views that make our society.
Remember that Scotland hasn’t had the government it voted for in control of all the major powers since around the middle of last century. That’s rather a lot of our lifetimes being subservient to the outlook and voting behaviours of our much larger supposed equal partner in this union.
That picture speaks volumes…
SNP…young, vibrant & relevant, the sexiest choice in politics.
Tangerines are marching again in Aberdeen after a spell off. For god sake who are these brainless morons.
Ok End The Union it is. The reason I’m unsure about voting ATLS is that left wing organizations in particular are susceptible to the woke mind virus.
Can’t quite remember where I got this:
« DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE SKILLS? (Jan 2017)
« 77 Brigade, the British Army’s online media ‘PsyOps’ unit, is struggling to attract trolls to its ranks despite a two-year recruitment drive, Ministry of Defence figures indicate.
« The ‘unit’ has a target size of 448, of which 182 are intended to be full-time soldiers, sailors and airmen, and 266 part-time reservists. However, as of December 31, 2016 it was home to a mere 276 cyber warriors, meaning the unit was undermanned by just under 40 percent. Of the 276, 123 were reservists, meaning the Brigade has a shortfall of 29 regulars and 143 reserves. Over 2016, just 125 soldiers were recruited to, or posted into it from elsewhere in the army.
« The target size of 448 in itself represents a significant reduction of its originally-stated goal. In the midst of its recruitment blitz, 77 Brigade was envisioned as an “operational body of 1,500-2,000.” Around 42% of this total were to be reserve “weekend warriors.”
« Formerly known as the Security Assistance Group, the unit was rebranded to 77 Brigade in 2015, the new name deliberately invoking Major-General Orde Wingate’s Indian 77th Infantry Brigade long-range penetration unit, which fought behind enemy lines in the Asia-Pacific theatre of World War Two. It was an effective merger of the Army’s Media Operations Group, 15 Psychological Operations Group, Security Capacity Building Team and Military Stabilization and Support Group.
« The group, it was said, was set up in response to similar efforts by terror groups and ‘hostile’ states, such as Daesh, which have used social media and online campaigns to promote their propaganda, subvert mainstream media reporting and attract new recruits. Moreover, there are suggestions the unit is tasked with destabilizing and infiltrating opposition groups within and without the UK’s borders.
« 77 Brigade is split into six separate ‘columns’, with the fifth column designated as the media operations unit. This is arguably an inside joke, referencing the phrase ‘fifth column’ coined by Emilio Mola, a nationalist general during the Spanish Civil War. He told a journalist in 1936 that four columns of his troops would attack Madrid from the outside, while a “quinta columna” of covert supporters inside the city would undermine the Republican government internally. Ernest Hemingway subsequently used it in the title of a 1938 book; ‘The Fifth Column and the First Forty-Nine Stories.’
« A spokesperson for the UK Ministry of Defence said in a statement that the army was “pleased” with the rate of growth of the Brigade. “It is attracting trained personnel of the right knowledge, skill and experience required for its roles. The shortfall in the reserve numbers is partly due to the recent increase in liability, but is, in the main, due to the fact 77 Brigade is a new formation and it takes time for this capability to be built up,” they added. »
I remember Kezia Dugdale promoting this openly on Twitter after indyref. Be paid to troll. Also the paid activists to ‘bus in’ rent-a-mobs for a bit of colour revolution around the world. All expenses paid if you manage to stay alive. They just tried this in Iran & failed.
Twitter is certainly awash with the paid trolls. Especially on current world affairs & the current POTUS. They’re even faking assassination attempts to win a ballroom & maybe even fulfill some right wing Christian fundamentalist prophecy LOL..
I remember Du*dale promoting this openly on Twitter after indyref. Be paid to troll. Also the paid activists to ‘bus in’ rent-a-mobs for a bit of colour revolution around the world set up by Clintons. All expenses paid if you manage to stay alive. They just tried this in Irn & failed.
Twitter/X is certainly awash with the paid trolls. Especially on current world affairs & the current POTUS. They’re even faking assassination attempts to win a ballroom & maybe even fulfill some right wing Christian fundamentalist prophecy of building a replica temple underneath it -jeez!
Reminds me of the joke about how the oldest profession could never work in certain parts of Scotland because the amateurs all did it for free.
“They just tried this in Irn & failed”
Did they now? Rational, wise, educated people might well believe it’s far too early to say.
But dinna fash, you’re excused on all three counts.
“Rational, wise, educated people might well believe it’s far too early to say.”
They admitted it, ya plank.
The orange one even had the cheek to complain to the press he issued the Kurdies with weapons – they kept the weapons & told him to GTF. They double crossed him & he had an episode on lie social, battering out a trilogy on how they’ll pay.
Yahoo sent in his tho. That didn’t end well. Well it wouldn’t would it? Torching mosques & petrol bombing policemen alive just isn’t acceptable. So the next day they thought fck this, let’s just carpet bomb Tehran – that’ll show them! So now those who maybe were West leaning are all dead. WTG, champ!
That’s why the plan changed. They threw their toys & don’t want a pretendy Revolution now. They’ll just go straight for the oil.
It never takes liars long to reveal themselves. Especially them. They’re as thick as shit. They were actually rumbled the first day on X with a majority of senators prematurely congratulating mossy for the coup.
Then Irn turned off the sky link/ internet. Oops!
.. Intel down! Intelligence down! We have no intelligence! Helepa! Helepa!
Fuuuuuuuuck!
…and that was the end of that wee fake episode. NEXT!
“carpet bomb Tehran – that’ll show them! So now those who maybe were West leaning are all dead”
An odd claim, Geri.
Didn’t you also assert that our planes would never get off the ground?
I know you’ve asserted many times on here that western weapons don’t work.
Here’s what I think. I think that your love and admiration for the medievalist, misogynistic types that beat cheeky teenage lassies to death and gun down their sympathisers by the thousand has warped your heid.
I think that your every utterance damages Indy and shames Scotland.
I think you know that too, but you persist, because this has never been about Indy or Scotland for you. It’s simply you carpet bagging onto a platform that enables you to broadcast your inchoate, universal hate to the world.
Geri I have taken out shares in SAVLON due to you continually BURNING hatey Mc Fuckwit ,Aydan and the cave troll with ALL your comments
I heard hatey had disappeared from WOS for a few weeks and that he had been recalled to barracks for retraining , I also heard from some of his squaddies that he is being ridiculed for his inability to respond to your cutting put downs, they also said that if he doesn’t get his act together and work alongside the other plants of the 77th to get people to vote deform he will be posted to somewhere he won’t like that is filled with BROWN people
“Didn’t you also assert that our planes would never get off the ground?”
Wrong conflict, shitface. Do keep up with the body count. They still aren’t are they? They’re hiding under their blankie.
“….and gun down their sympathisers by the thousand has warped your heid.”
Propaganda, propaganda.
I’ve just told you what officially happened. Straight from the orange ones own mouth. He admitted it live to the press pack. What more do you need? Yer just looking a fool. Not hard tho, TBF.
The Tango & chum tried to spark an uprising – sending in ops to mingle with protesters angry at the USA for the economic hardship which Bessent admitted at the WEF that’s exactly what he was doing which forced some Irn banks to close leading protests on the streets. AT the USA. NOT to the government.
The USA & chum went in, mingled with PEACEFUL protesters, then started mayhem. Torching police stations, burning mosques, killing protesters. You know, a bit like they did in the Maidan by burning citizens alive.
Irn quickly recognised they were under terrorist attacks & immediately cut the internet which immediately cut Sky links & all communications went down. Fuckwit terrorists left with no intel. Rounded up. Game over.
So stop spreading misinformation. No one is buying it. Tango can’t shut his mouth in front of a camera or on his lie social where he rants in epic proportions & there is a leaky, leak at the Pent who also gave the NYTs the scoop. Kegs breath has pissed off a lot of high ranking officials who are NOT in agreement with this deranged mission, he sacked them, they went whistleblower. Go read it.
The fundamentalists halfwit is currently in front of the senate. Go watch it. You’d love it. He’s a racist too. He’s very fond of sacking black people & can’t seem to answer why. Apparently, it’s that old chestnut, *It’s a matter of national security* LOL!
So they decided to carpet bomb Tehran. Kill it’s religious leader & declare the oil & trade route was theirs cause that’s what this was really all about. Not poor downtrodden women having to wear a headscarf or anything like it. So illegal war started.
I can’t stand the English government. Any of them. Where is this club I can appeal to for Team America to swoop in, lay waste & parachute in a spot of regime change? I think Scots would love to know! They seem very big on spreading this so called democracy malarkey & Scots are continually denied what they voted for. Do they have a phone number I could call? Asking on behalf of 5.5 million ppl..PS – wee have oil, gas, water & an abundance of natural resources if that seals the deal…
Twathater – aye, he’s malfunctioning. He keeps playing the same bs propaganda on loop hoping ppl will buy it on the 100th time of trying. I hope he receives an upgrade but I doubt it. You can’t fix stupid.
Yet another excellent comment by Geri. The rhetoric is strong in this one…
@Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh
Two posters referencing Hemingway in the same day. What are the chances, eh?
I’m not issuing a direct accusation right now, but you better be careful what you post about Picts in future.
@Geri 8:41pm
I didn’t get the privilege of a reply button.
I don’t want convicted criminals in charge of the Scottish Parliament or anywhere near it. The next big thing is the assigned life of the Scottish Parliament as a building. Lead time and design etc will mean a commitment to £ 1.5 Billion to a new Scottish Parliament in the next 10 years. Good luck with that.
I dunno, redacting documents, hiding evidence, committing perjury & trying to jail an innocent man seems pretty criminal to me yet there they all are already in the administration office.
& why would Scotland be paying for another Colonial outpost anyway ? We shouldn’t have been charged for the one we have. They were pretty criminal there too & that was lead by Winnie Ewing. It wasn’t the reconvening of the Scottish parliament at all. It’s a colonial outpost. An administration.
So basically, you don’t want Tommy being seated in a colonial branch office. Fair enough…
Once the designs are finalised, we Scots should submit a FOI request to find out how many of the public and private spaces within the building are aligned with Mecca.
Bet they won’t tell us.
The last ugly, overweening monstrosity cost a billion, George. Good luck finding an equivalent design if you believe 30 years inflation amounts to only 50%!
400% more like.
@Hatey McHateface
The original Scottish Parliament building cost £414 million. Well over budget I grant you that. My estimate of a renewal building is £1.5 billion to replace it. The original building doesn’t face Mecca. All I want is my granddaughters not wear Hijabs. Is that too much to ask?
George
Aye..
But..
Hardly compares with Westminster and Buckingham Palace ongoing costs really though eh..
@Young Lochinvar
I will fight alongside you. You are a mucker or a brother. But you must have sworn allegiance to the Crown if you served. What’s the words… I think King Charles has just paid his keep in measures by securing a deal on Scottish Whisky many billions saved.
George
I swore-in in sectarian divided Glasgow during the troubles era where the oath was accepted if mumbled.
Nonetheless I held to my oath while I served.
There’s nothing that stipulated a lifetime.
Yes, C3 certainly seems to be the candidate for the next ambassador but it’s creeping out the woodwork that it’s been worked on for ages by all sorts of players, so an easy one (if welcome) for the Donald to pull out the hat and flourish for the press corps.
We live in a tainted world brother..
Independence first and foremost and thereafter defence based on the Swiss model.
Nemo me impune lacessit.
“The last ugly, overweening monstrosity cost a billion”
A Yoon government. A farce from start to finish. It wasn’t their only Rodeo either – they managed to fck up the trams too. That same Yoon “government” that also had £1.5 billion of Scotland’s money gathering stour & interest in London’s treasury cause they couldn’t think where to spend it & sold us a lifetime of PFI debts & flogging off hospital car parks.
Chucky saved nothing. Scottish Whisky sells itself & he’ll be the beneficiary of the duties once it crosses the border.
It’s actually him you have to worry about regards Hijabs. He loves taking wads of cash from the GCC. Every the scrounger. That cash won’t be a gift. It’s colonial grift in exchange for something. I’d more worry about the kiddy fiddlers cause that’s rife. Islam is a nice bit of deflection tho.
Swearing allegiance to a coloniser should be abolished. I think it’s already too late though because being an illegal invader, ignoring international laws & norms has caused the intake to plummet drastically & the arse has fallen out of defence. So much so they’d have to threaten conscription & that’d only result in an exodus. Who’d sign up to carpet bomb civilians? Defenceless women and children? Damn few & no one could blame them. Thrown on the rubbish heap too once they’re home, homeless & maimed for life, physically & mentally, so some toffs can wear a bunch of fake medals & wear a lousy poppy. They’ve destroyed any notion of serving in the military for generations. They’re now even resorting to sabotaging they’re missions. They’re not willing to kill themselves for the Eppy class & they’re certainly not doing it on behalf of another country wishing to expand into yet more illegal land grabs.
“There’s nothing that stipulated a lifetime”
Naw?
Which part of the “heirs and successors” clause continues to defeat your comprehension?
I am curious – Does the English NAZI Reform Party in Wales have a leader who also has 6 houses, 6 boats and 5 cars or is he also dependent on Dirty Foreign Crypto Coin like Fuhrer Farage?
It must be really dirty coin if even the crooked sleazy Tories are bleating about it?
How about Raynor? Is Raynor bleating about it?
Or perhaps growling?
There’s a part of me that desperately wants Prime Minister Raynor, the schemie’s, incompetent, tax dodging PM, presiding over the highest taxing WM government in history.
It’s not a part I’m proud of, but come on – be honest – wouldn’t it be like a ginger Truss on steroids?
And be honest again. If you care for Scottish Indy, can you think of anything better to advance the Indy cause than the schemie Ginger Growler fucking up 24/7 for the foreseeable future?
I can’t.
HMcH
Highest taxing WESTMINSTER government ever..
I put that in bold as I had to do a double take!
It’s usually Holyrood you regale with that kind of title!!
Could your lot’ve just been as bad if not that little bit worse?
Or do I offend by comparing?
I know you lot are a mite touchy about that..
Anyways; how’s “saving yer business”/ in remand for tax evasion going “old boy”?
Not seeing you so much on here these days..
Do take care now, and when you pick up the soap in the remand block showers, well I guess, just think of yer Edi Uni glory hole days..
Whatever it takes to get by..
Here you go, YL. Your one (1) response per Diem in which I validate your pathetic, pointless, and obsessively focused on shirt lifting existence.
Enjoy!
Incidentally, the Scottish heroes of old, who you fatuously claim to have some kinship with, loathed and detested oath breakers most of all.
Seeing them as synonymous with ("Tractor" - Ed)s.
They would have run you through, quick as look at you, and worried afterwards that perhaps they had defiled their blades with your oath-breaking heart’s blood.
Careful who you raise a glass to. The enthusiasm may not be reciprocated.
HMcH @ 7.24
Up early in the Remand block again Hatey eh?
Maybe that’s why your rambling post makes no sense.
“Heirs and successors”; (SIGH) while you serve nugget! Last time I’m going to take the time to educate you on that one.
Anyway how’s your proud boy mastoorbatin oath breakin’ goin’ thar y’all?
I think you’d find our ancestors would have dealt with you as you self proclaimed earlier to be a “Godless effete”.
Your words.
🙂
“They would have run you through, quick as look at you, and worried afterwards that perhaps they had defiled their blades with your oath-breaking heart’s blood.”
Nah, they’d have ran it through you first. A yappy wee fuckwit that resorts to savagery, bigotry & hate rather than on discipline, unity & following convention.
The military don’t sell their soul to Satan on sign up FFS. There are conscientious objectors. Just wars & Geneva conventions. No place for wee wannabe brown shirts like you that not only soil the reputation but are the yappy fuckwit that’d likely get the whole unit killed.
Illegal invasion & colonial expansion are not Just wars. They’re occupying invaders to let pedos plunder yet more wealth & tyranny & sacrifice children to Baal. That’s not what they signed up for. Drinks all round for those with a spine that are disgusted & refuse to do it.
You forget, sweet cheeks, the King isn’t our King. He’s an average citizen in this country. An equal to Scots. He’s here by consent. So take yer royalist, oath taking pish elsewhere. We’re not English.
Where did you serve, sunshine? Maccy Ds on a Saturday? Want fries with that?
Geri @ 1.31
Game set and match Geri!
Just handed Hatey his fundamental on a platter 🙂 🙂
Brilliant!
No wonder night time boxing glove wearing proud-boy hasn’t come back with some anodyne smart a8se “change the subject” reply after that public roasting.
Keep it up.
Talking money. Where’s the 600K?
We know where it is.
What we don’t know is…
Where’s Scotlands oil fund?
Where is £15.5 BILLION in fake COVID contracts?
Where is the windfall taxes?
Where’s the reports on party finances, lobby & business groups?
Who is funding Reform?
Questions, questions…
Aye, an whaur’s the £150 billion+ per year missin fae oor Scottish GDP, Mark?
link to yoursforscotlandcom.wordpress.com
Beggars @ 2.46
Spaffed probably.
At least there’s a court case pending (hopefully)..
On the subject of wasted money, what happened to the £9bn COVID crisis monies quickly written off by Westminster for NHS England procurement eff ups and dodgy business rebates??
Take yer time..
I looked at standing as an Indendepence Candidate I informed this blog after research it was implausible that any Candidate will be the 4th Independent Candidate. Let’s see the results.
I’ll no doubt find someone palatable on the Regional paper, but my constituency paper will be defaced by a black Sharpie using words I’ll not repeat here.
One of the problems with trying to start a new party (there are many) is that politics in a “democracy” is all about media access, which means the TV – and : they don’t want to talk to you, for there is a gang of “acceptable politicians” with acceptable views. It is self reinforcing – if you are small you get dismissed as a nutter, the lunatic, the fringe – and because you cannot get wider access, you will remain that way. Only exception was the miraculous treatment of Farage, who had the BBC kissing his arse and deferring to him like an elder statesman even when he was obviously just a fucking nobody, another ex tory spiv.
– this is why Sheridan / Murray are good value – they already have a brand, they are “faces”, and to the professional journo class they add interest through controversy.
If elected I expect them to roast those cunts at holyrood – can you imagine all the shite they are up against will be bricking it; its a real force multiplier, and from then on, the party can grow.
Eva Comrie is also a good performer – she is a straight talker, a nae nonsense wee wummin, tellin it tae ye like it is.
On a head to head basis against Swinney, Gilruth, Macallan, the rest whose names I can’t remember, just people with LESS intelligence and charisma, could be a drubbing. Repeatedly.
Of course it is not beyond the contrivance of the speaker to … stop them speaking, but they can always talk to the press out front.
An SNP majority govt doing fuckall about indy then getting hauled over the coals about it, every week, might be the critical point; when the average indy punter has that lightbulb moment : “aye, so – how huv the SNP no done anything aboot indy for the past 12 year … ”
(gears whirr) … “mibbe there no really intae it … ” (when people realised they have been played for fools, the consequences can be nasty – what happened to labour when their socialist credentials were exposed.)
Tommy, being a socialist, talks to the working class, the man in the street; Murray, a liberal, talks to the middle class – its like a pincer move. Note that this is a feature, not a bug – independence exists above all petty party concerns – they will be decided after, when normal politics resumes. An indy party should be indy only and should be able to accommodate left and right economically/socially within it. It was precisely this factional, dogmatic, “shopping lists of positions that ALL must believe in” that killed your party – the usual cunts, the identity politics nutters came in and just shat all over it (appointing themselves gatekeepers and crying “zero tolerance”) which seemed intended to be a corbyn vehicle for going back to class identity as the prime, overarchingly relevant distinction.
Remember that the shitty DHondt system is relatively generous to smaller parties; in FPTP it would be a genuine waste of time.
Interesting ideas, Confused.
But who will talk for the Benefits Classes? Who will champion the grifters, those with hands permanently extended for hand outs, the spongers, the under-nourished obese, the neuro-diverse, the sufferers from those arcane medical conditions that allows them to live a full, normal life, but stops them from holding down a job?
“An indy party should be indy only”
And so you would throw all those deserving cases under the bus?
I suggest you return hamewards tae think again.
Well said, Confused.
The Yes movement was like that. A collective of everyone, all political backgrounds or of none at all. Then the spoilers & plants entered the fray helped by Sturgeons intake of fuckwits to steer the party towards more devolution, despite mandates for indy, & they couldn’t even manage that! They started the class shit with AUOB too. It was too big, it was disrupting people’s Saturdays, it was flag waving riff raff with their dugs, every speaker had to approve other speakers or they weren’t going – etc, ect. Zzzzzzz.
Those people should’ve been jettisoned immediately along with the Greens. They were looking to derail indy from day one of entering Holyrood with their 60% over a course of yrs nonsense. MSPs & MPs should’ve been cleared out & deselected too but Sturgeon saw to that by removing party democracy & stitching up conferences.
If ppl want indy then Independent candidates is the only way. If they do nothing but grift when they get in then they’re easier to remove too. Individually held to account. What’s not to like?
Oh, aye, spoilers don’t like it. That’s just tough.
I think it’ll be rigged anyway. I don’t believe people vote SNP 1 & 2. It’s an easy way to scrap a million *wasted* votes off the count to Keep Alex out. We had a taste of election rigging when Dumbza won the leadership & the entire farce of the company handling the count & Murrell refusing to be transparent.
Second this comment from Confused.
Ingrained tribalism in Scottish politics is never going to change. This will result in the SNP being the biggest party, regardless of their multitude of failures. Whether big enough to form a government on its own, we will have to wait and see.
This is going to happen and it won’t further independence one jot. However, having experienced independence minded MSP’s from the AtLS and other parties elected will hold the SNP to account, not only on independence but on the day to day matters of ordinary people, many of them working, sometimes having to hold down two or three job but still reliant on state benefits to get through, partly because of policies enacted by the SNP, some of which has been mentioned in this article.
“Second this comment from Confused.”
Thirded.
Funny eh, any time the
ALLIANCE TO LIBERARE SCOTLAND
gets mentioned there’s a pile on of unioniat c*nts? Can you smell the fear? Smells like 77th yoon shite….
@ James
Curious how the trolls have been quiet for a while and then they coming piling in here just before the election?
#No Votes SNP
REALLY STRUGGLING WITH DRUGS?
If you are OK with a Christian ambience, Glaswegian Terry McCutcheon is founder and current Executive Director of ‘HOPE FOR ADDICTION UK’ (formerly ‘Hope for Glasgow’):
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Terry shares his back-story here in this extended informal interview (2021) with Pete Stewart, pastor at Hope Barlanark Church:
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The You-Tuber Craig Houston stands a good chance of being elected as an independent for Glasgow.
I see that Polanksi has dug a right big hole for himself with his tweets. I also see that there are now newspaper article that go into his time at the Lib Dems where he was saying the exact opposite of what he is saying now.
I wonder if this will have any effect on the Greens in the Holyrood elections?
I doubt it.
Anyone who follows outside news is well aware this thuggish behaviour by law enforcement is indoctrinated, imported, psychotic bullshit they’re trying to normalise.
I see that rather than condemn that treatment to a civilian, kid Starver just doubles down on the justification to act like thugs in a street brawl.
How stupid would you have to be to start kicking someone in the head anyway because they’ve a backpack on? That covers just about 99% of the population. It would’ve surely exploded in the commotion. Don’t they have sniffer dogs FFS? Or were they off having a shit?
I’d suspect there are better examples of police misbehaviour than this, Geri.
I’m a bit prejudiced on this as I’ve been the innocent victim of a stabbing by a mentally disturbed person.
For a start, I don’t feel that the 99% of the population with a backpack would have allegedly stabbed two innocent passersby, attempted to stab one of the cops and still have been holding onto the knife and continue to use it.
Most suicide bombs or vests are detonated by electrical connection or mobile phone rather than striking them. After all, they have to be transported to the location.
As far as canine units are concerned, “bomb dogs” are, I believe, a very specialised section in a specialised unit; they’re not likely to be available on tap quickly, bearing in mind the cops were fighting with a berserk male armed with a knife he had already used.
In fact, if a dog unit responded at the speed our local police attend 999 calls it could probably have been measured on a calendar rather than a watch !
@Sven
I think most decent people think this guy deserved all he got and more; got off very lightly indeed. He’d be shot at the scene in many/most countries around the world, thereby saving everyone the inevitable paperwork and years of board and lodgings.
Cave Dweller
Wot? Like Jean Charles de Menezes? Just brutal overkill by thugs acting “On a hunch”
It’s documented fact that the Met is being specifically trained & indoctrinated to act like psychotic thugs by *bussed in* foreign exchange volunteers.
Just like the insulting thug that intimidated Al Jazzera reporter’s just a few weeks ago that was revealed to be one of them.
We don’t need that bullshit here. Just as the States are losing their shit for the exact same reason. Bussed in masked volunteers, calling themselves ICE. Terrorising the neighbourhood & shooting innocent civilians while politicians make up lies that blatantly contradicts mobile phone footage.
We don’t need foreign governments running ours. We don’t elect them & they don’t pay their wages. We do.
Sven,
Allegedly – they set about kicking him in the head AFTER he had already been incapacitated & tasered. What’s kicking him in the head going to achieve? I assume it’s nothing. I’m sure tasers make people have paralysis for a time. They claim they were afraid of the backpack. If they’re that jumpy they should step aside, clear the area & await backup. No need to go overboard. It shouldn’t be congratulated & encouraged by politicians.
I’d have also thought police working in the capital would be better equipped & trained to keep their cool. They’re not filming a Hollywood movie.
Did he have a manifesto, a passport, a driver’s license, his home address, his house keys & an entire family photo album in this backpack? LOL! I guess we’ll find out on the next spin cycle.
Geri.
You are saying exactly what Polanski said.
If you believe what you said is true, why did Polanski apologise for retweeting that information?
He should have been shot.
Jesus loves you Geri but everyone else thinks you’re a nasty wee cunt.
Beggars @ 11.45
Pot and kettle Ad0lf..
@“Geri” 13:35
Well, I’d say your bizarre sentiments and misplaced sense of priorities serves as a handy “User Guide” for any casual readers here, as regarding the rest of your (copious) input around these parts.
Your immediate knee jerk response to a knife-wielding killer on the streets appears to centre around shouty words from the Police upon his much needed and highly dangerous apprehension (whilst still waving said knife in their direction), before then going off at the deep end as you invariable do, with another generous dollop of conspiracy theory tosh re. shadowy foreign powers and all the rest of that tot. Even that tosser in charge of the Greens rolled back on this nonsense, as even members of his own swivel-eyed party were outraged by them. Good grief – that’s how bad these were, and here you are doubling down on them…
This illustrates, I think, the absurd “empathy” that Lorncal writes about frequently here, though I would say it’s more “stupidity and crass naivety” so typical of the hard, woke Left. The very same sentiments that has seen biological male killers insistent upon being housed in female prisons with vulnerable women and all the other stuff written about extensively here by this site’s Editor.
I believe it’s the case in Dubai and/or other ME states that killers have their severed heads on spikes on public display for the birds, and their crime rates are vastly lower. Deterrent effect, no doubt. FAFO and all that…
Geri: the police could be heard quite clearly saying: drop the knife, drop the knife. He wouldn’t drop it and struggled even against the taser. If you are faced with a killer or potential killer, you will either run away or stand your ground and hit back with anything at hand, including your fists and your feet. Most of us, thankfully, will not have to face a knife-wielding barsteward who has just knifed two others, plus his own friend and flatmate earlier in the day. Why do we expect the police to put their lives on the line every day without losing it? I sometimes agree with your comments, but your ultra leftie bias leaves me cold. You do not face reality. Charles de Menezes was a tragic, horrible mistake, as was the killing of a Scots man carrying a chair leg in a paper bag. In both cases, the police shouted instructions at them and neither obeyed. Yes, of course, they were taken by surprise and confused, but the police have little time to decide whether someone is co-operating or not in a dangerous scenario where civilians and police have lost their lives. Does not make it right, I know, but very human reactions.
Bravo.
Well well everyone, Geri seems uncharacteristically quiet on this one?
At a wild guess, maybe it’s the realisation that on the one hand, heavily criticising two coppers (probably on around £50k a year) for “kicking” a knife-wielding maniac, having already stabbed two innocent bystanders, his flat mate and rabidly attacking said officers, whilst on the other hand near daily cheering on disgusting, despotic regimes like “I” and “R” who routinely hosing down thousands of their own (entirely innocent, non knife-wielding) citizens in a hail of bullets and/or chucking them out of top floor windows etc. is just a *tad* problematic, intellectually speaking? (Lol)
This planet-sized rank double standard and crass hypocrisy (not to mention stupidity) is likely visible from space, no doubt. The aforementioned countries (and many others like China) get a free pass, apparently, whereas we’re not even allowed to use non-lethal, minimal physical force to subdue this guy, without some swivel-eyed “ultra leftie” screaming foul…
Well all I can say is, I’d just love to see how many milliseconds this guy would’ve lasted in “I” or “R” eh. I reckon a boot to the head would’ve been the last of his (very brief) worries. And had that occurred, I’d wager we wouldn’t hear so much as a peep from the likes of Geri about it, neither.
Like I said earlier, a “User Guide” indeed.
Lorna
Have you seen the video footage?
He was already tasered & on the ground.
One guy, dressed in commando gear (wtf?) was trying to kneel on his back while another police started repeatedly KICKING HIM IN THE HEAD.
WHY? What would that achieve?
He was already on the ground. What risk was he anymore? Do you think this is acceptable behaviour?
And wtf was Commando Guy? Where did he spring from? Is he one of those special foreign exchange experts we’ve been hearing about? Is it normal for the police in London to dress up like the military now?
Also, wake up. The media frenzy did not mention the earlier incident. That was because it was a Muslim. It didn’t fit their frenzied narrative which was that this was a targeted antisemitic attack, he was a terrorist, the Jewish community lived in fear – let’s ban all protests against Jenny side from now on…it’s that what did it. Everyone should stop protesting about children being burned alive – it’s upsetting the Jewish community.
& the leader of the Green party, who attends these protests, needs to stop going to them. He helps fuel antisemitism & hate.
No, actually, it wasn’t any of those things at all. He is mentally ill. He’s up on charges for attempted murder, not terrorism & he isn’t a terrorist.
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story tho eh? The knuckle draggers love being triggered.
Cave Dweller – piss off. I don’t sit here all day & I don’t go looking for things that have fallen off the side menu. Especially one from THREE DAYS AGO.
& You just don’t get it do you? How those countries police is absolutely fuck all to do with you. It’s not yer business, nosepoke. Yer not the world police & you’ve zero fucking leg to stand on the international stage barking about human rights abuses to anyone. At least they’re not partaking in an ongoing Jenny side. Televised live around the world. Or r*ping ppl with dogs..
But that’s you, innit? Fucking dense with zero self awareness. The prick in the butchers apron barking out morality lessons to everyone else. Hypocrisy doesn’t even begin to comer it..maaaate…
But as you like to pretend to care, what do you think of charging 37k to avoid conscription or kneecapped?
How about the GCC who like chopping people up & giving acid baths to journalists? What about sniping at little kids playing in the streets, especially targeting their genitals?
The English never do know when to stop throwing stones in glasshouses. It’s embarrassing.
Oh man, you are hilarious. 😀
Some maniac waving a knife indiscriminately at innocent bystanders and police officers – having already stabbed his flat mate and two people (likely on racially/faith aggravated grounds) – but you’re clutching your pearls because … (wait for it) … one of the guys apprehending this lunatic was in … COMMANDO GEAR!
Oh my days, the fucking calamity, Geri! 😀 I’m sure we can all agree that the guy’s attire is the real germane point here, right?
Oh, and never mind him literally trying to stab those brave souls tasked with the unenviable task of apprehending this armed madman (strength of ten sane men and all of that), you’re still banging on about a “KICK TO THE HEAD” (capitalised for super dooper effect). Sweetheart, I’ve had a KICK IN THE HEAD playing rugby, but I didn’t consider it an international incident worthy of criticising the UK State, and for bonus points, I wasn’t even trying to kill innocent people! Go me! 😀
Lorncal very politely has said your “ultra leftie” views leave her cold. Conversely, in my case they provide hours of entertainment, please keep foaming this absurd nonsense, painting yourself into more corners than your average maze, making a total arse of yourself for all to see.
Like I said, you’d have to be blind not to see your planet-sized hypocrisy and truly grotesque double standards, as you have so unwittingly illuminated for all to see beyond doubt.
“How those countries police is absolutely fuck all to do with you. It’s not yer business, nosepoke.”
Oh really? There was me thinking this was a de facto political forum for discussion & all that…
Well, it hasn’t seem to have stopped you, has it Geri? Barely a day passes without you cheering on “R”, “I” and their respective despotic governments, whether it’s ongoing conflict or shooting down tens of thousands of their own innocent citizens just for peaceful protest.
Still I remind myself, “I” isn’t a totalitarian State according to you, so whereas kicking a madman in the head who is resisting arrest and wielding a knife is an appalling breach of human rights, mass State murder of thousands of unarmed innocents is just fine and dandy… Ugh.
Besides all of that, I think you’ll fine that gross violations of human rights IS “our business”, Geri. There are countless examples (including recent e.g. Kossovo) where the world didn’t say “it’s not our business” but (rightly) felt the need to intervene, rather than turn a blind eye. It’s a mark of human civilisation, though I realise this will be far beyond your comprehension.
Deary me, Geri. Another bad day at the office, huh. 🙂
TL/DR
Off you pop now…
Don’t come crying when the police become militarised to go with the police state they’ve got cooking. Thick Tossers like you would only claim it’s good for the weapons industry tho..fud.
Ha!
What’s that Scots expression?
“Telt”
CHICKEN OR THE EGG
link to archive.is
Two elephants vying for supremacy?
Not just a matter of taste but the very heart of the matter.
Runners for Scottish elections registered in England.
The devolved Scottish act government under The Scotland act legislation from Westminsters parliament of England/ Ireland agreement.
Swearing an oath to the king of England if you do enter the devolved governance to Scotland.
The bank of England is not a Scottish bank or a bank of Great Britain.
The elections in Scotland under a hond’t system rather than first past the post.
Just some of the considerations that should be taken into account when voting in Scotland for the benefit of England maintaining a Colonial administration hold on Scotland.
Its aiding and abetting the Colonial theory into a reality for England governance when voting in these elections.
If you must vote, perhaps it might be wiser and refuse to go along with being Colonised, maybe spoil your ballot paper. Because voting for Englands registered parties in a Scottish election correlates with it being a great Britain election, not a Scottish election,
Keeping Colonial run Scotland right where it has always been for the past three hundred years or more,
The SNP could Withdraw their mps from Westminster, but favour Colonial rule instead, for Scotland does not hold a treaty with the parliament of Great Britain, or with the Anglo / Irish parliament.
Only with Englands old parliament of 1706.
And Westminster and the crown of England dissolved Scotland from that treaty in 1707.
If we vote, we are voting for continued Colonialism of Scotland, and going down with the titanic ship of England,
Wonder why the MSN news is what it is today and who is pulling Starmers strings?
Google: declassified uk for an article by John Mcevoy to find out who exactly is funding a quarter of Westminster MPs, particularly Starmer, his cabinet and his party..
It’s even worse with jolly boy troughers in the Conservatives..
Search, read, learn and be disgusted..
Why am I seeing the top of your home page with dozens of text links to predominantly sex websites?
I don’t see text links text links to predominantly sex websites when I look at this site.
Sounds like your computer is riddled with viruses. Maybe you shouldn’t be browsing those dodgy websites 😉
What a classic response! Thank you for your sympathy! It’s gone now. Either it vanished all by itself or stu fixed something.
You’ll go blind watching that stuff 🙂
I had the same porn site links problem some days ago. Exactly as described above. I assumed that I’d been hacked.
It seems now that the problem was not at my end.
I hope Rev Stu doesn’t go blind!
@ Cynicus
Ah, If it’s happening to other people then it’s something to do with the site.
Either the Rev has been a naughty boy or WOS is being hacked?
Goes anyone know if Dave Llewellyn has a YouTube I know he used to do Twa Auld Heids?
Geri @ 16.19.
The vids I’ve seen show one cop & what I’m guessing is a Jewish security guy trying to immobilise his arm, where theknife is clearly visible, Geri. That’s the point at which another cop delivers a couple of what I’ve seen described as “slipper kicks” which are apparently intended more as distractions than incapacitating blows (would certainly distract me no end).
If this guy has already stabbed 2 folk, tried to stab a cop and they just release him and step back I can’t help feeling he’s likely to continue his afternoon pastime of sticking people.
Should the backpack have contained explosive releasing him and awaiting backup would seem to be just allowing him the opportunity to detonate the device.
As regards the Tazer, according to news reports this latest device has shorter “prongs” than the earlier models in order to avoid deep tissue damage if it hits bare flesh, the result is that it is often ineffective as it just lodges in clothing. The guy certainly seemed physically active and violent enough whilst he was on the ground fighting and still wielding his knife.
The case of the South American repeatedly shot would be a far greater example of police midconduct to me, especially since I seem to recall that the female police officer in charge of the operation finished up at a high rank in the Met.
‘Fraid we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one Geri, but we’ll not be disagreeing on Independence.
@ Sven and Geri , apparently this guy had already previously stabbed a police officer and an innocent person so why wasn’t he incarcerated either in a secure mental institution or a secure hospital , this is happening too many times and the excuse is always that they were suffering from mental problems
TBQH I believe that he should’ve been shot either fatally or enough to render him no threat whatsoever , Sven you would know the terror and panic you experienced with your stabbing which would last a lifetime and severely restrict your interaction with people , it is okay to be sympathetic or empathetic that someone has mental problems but the innocent VICTIMS don’t deserve to be cast aside or ignored
Oh Sturgeon had her moments.
Who could forget her idiotic post glorify the death count of Rs with various muscle emojis & calls to have no fly zones implemented immediately (Which is a declaration of war) & declaring she stood with literal Nazis.
That went down like a bucket of cold sick. Scotland doesn’t have a foreign policy & she’s kack aw say over declarations of war. She isn’t even in the room…LOL! A branch manager was her station. Not the war room.
I can’t comment on him because I haven’t been following the election or media coverage. The news article said he removed the post so I can no longer look either.
I also don’t believe all I read. Maybe he’s a plant deliberately sabotaging the Green party just before an election? The Britnat state does like to infiltrate & destroy parties from within. Especially ones that are upsetting the apple cart. They deploy the Reid technique alot too. Someone plays good guy too reel em in & then bad cop suddenly appears to trash everything just before a vote.
There is a lot going on that the public should be angry about. This ongoing court case is one that parliamentary privilege was used just last week at how unfair it is being heard & how dire the consequences will be. Then the concerted effort to hate on all Muslims & refugees, add all the shady goings on over covert operations they’re embroiling us in overseas. There really isn’t any politician to turn to.
It is in decline. That’s evident by the dross they put up for election. They’re no longer statesmen like but hand picked puppets pretending to be something they’re not. Corrupt, self interest & how much they can pocket for unelected lobbyists. The genuine ones forced out. The Labour party isn’t the Labour party & hasn’t been for decades. Same has happened here. We’ve a supposed indy party that now basically admits it doesn’t want indy. Is it any wonder the ppl look to try end this bs & someone sticks a tribal label on it?
The replies to my post about the Greens yesterday which started this particular debate didn’t go the way I had felt it would.
My personal opinion is that it is a symptom not only of how much a low trust society that the UK we live in has become but also managed decline where as twathater has pointed out, institutions which should have stopped this from happening in the first place is not working for various reasons.
Hi Bilbo,
In direct reply to your point, I greatly doubt that the now retracted comment by the man once known as David Paulden will have much effect on potential voters.
I’d suspect that for a number of Green voters it’s a tribal thing and they imagine that just by voting for a political Party with Green in the name it somehow reflects their own hopes and aspirations. Bit like “Both votes SNP” seems to resonate with large numbers of fellow Scots who assume that a Party with Scottish National as its name reflects their interests.
For other groups who may vote Green, as long as the Party nationally allies itself to the
pro Palestine movement they have a voter base with their own agenda many of whom are probably not tremendously concerned with traditional environmental issues.
Just my own take on the situation.
For myself, I continue to feel that the rise of Independent candidates under umbrella organisations presents the best option for independence voters.
@ Sven
You are right and it is wishful thinking on my part that these revelations about Mr Paulden/Polanksi conveniently released just before elections north and south of the border will have any effect.
We are currently living in an atomised and performative society where people stay in their own identity groups and only interact with other identity groups in carefully stage managed protests so they can show how they are on the right side of history.
This is why there needs to be Alliance to Liberate Scotland and yes, Reform MSPs elected in Holyrood to counter balance this shallow thinking in our public life.
Bilbo,
He probably apologised because he’d have received the Corbyn treatment. Bullied, intimidated, threatened by media mauling, Lawfare etc.
I’ve no idea what his comments were on X. I didn’t read them. I read the news article of him apologising where I agreed with the sentiment, ie, there was no need to start kicking him in the head once he was already incapacitated.
I watched the video, I heard Woody on LBC clutch his pearls with angst (everyone’s a terrorist & anti something or other) & I read Lord Guff Guff & Lady Hee-Haw who decided to leave their tea party to address the media directly because they were so disappointed & how awfully inappropriate his comments were. & Then the police head honcho describe how it’s Polanski that needs to “lower the temperature” Did any of these Lords & Ladies appear over the Mandy revelations?
It appeared orchestrated fake outrage.
It turns out the guy has mental health problems. He also stabbed a Muslim earlier that day but that was dropped from the narrative. Woody was pushing it was because of who the two ppl were when that was not a targeted attack at all. Its him that continually over dramatises. Woody being worked from the back.
Going back to the video, I suspected the person with the dessert storm like camo gear on was one of these so called exchange force volunteers they have these days to “learn from each other” Like they’re militarising the Police now like they are with ICE. They’re allowed to act like thugs & terrorise neighbourhoods with complete anonymity & even when they kill people they won’t face protection. Maybe they’re expecting a civil war soon. The proles are finally waking up.
Sven, I’m sorry that happened to you. It would’ve been terrifying & I expect it still impacts on you today. I was objecting to the way this was being framed.
@ Geri
Have you not considered that Polanski, as a person well known in the media at the present time, is deliberately inflaming and escalating tensions?
This is showing his shortcomings in engaging populism. Whatever you say about Sturgeon, she had a keen sense of self-preservation and know how far to take things and when to shut up. Polanksi and his ilk have no such experience or even self-awareness to know when to stop their actions before it harms their ambitions.
Bilbo
Apologies, my reply ended up in the wrong place.
Anyway, update…
I’ve since watched an interview with him. It went as I suspected. Car crash interview by Trevor Phillips continually twisting his words. Basically everything is the fault of these protests & him being on them. People don’t feel safe because of all the hate at them. When challenged he was wrong about that – he was blamed again for being on these protests. Btw, don’t mention what they’re about, Trevor isn’t interested in talking about that bit. Just that there shouldn’t be protests.
Polanski said he wanted to have “a conversation about what ppl perceived to be a threat & what is an actual threat.” He then went on to explain that basically everything is twisted out of all proportion. Not everything is antisemitism & not everything is an actual threat to that community. Trevor was still having none of it..it was these protests that make Jewish people feel unsafe.
He wasn’t implying this incident wasn’t an actual attack, clearly it was, but there needs to be a conversation on what is perceived to be a threat & what is an actual threat. The police chief agreed with him on that.
He apologised because he realised social media wasn’t the proper place to have that conversation. It should be conducted through the proper channels. Not on X. So he took it down.
I agree with him & here is a good example…
Cuts to ITN…
ITN is still on full terror mode. The suspect lead into court while the commentator tells us “The man accused of A TERROR ATTACK ON A JEWISH COMMUNITY”
Giving the impression it was a deliberate target.
We’ve already been through all the drama with TRA using the exact same buzz words: feeling unsafe, feeling threatened, hurty feelz. It’s exhausting.
Maybe crimes should just be reported as a crime & not what religion they are?
Jimmy was attacked by three men coming out the pub late Saturday..
Instead of..
Jimmy, 22, a Protestant from Glasgow, with three kids, a dug & unemployed was attacked coming out the pub late Saturday…
What’s the purpose of all the additional information? LOL
O/T
I see that the BBC is making cuts to it’s News operation but this is the part that interested me:
link to archive.is
An independent Scotland could afford a Public Sector broadcaster. It’s doesn’t need to be expensive like the BBC with all it’s highly paid staff.
Just close down “BBC Scotchland” : it’s all lies anyway….. but that won’t happen, will it?
The independence debate is framed that an iScotland would be in billions and billions of debt at time of creation and would require require a massive austerity program which would dismantle all the public services that we currently enjoy.
This idea though is framed in the prism of the UK state and it’s institutions. Large parts of any government expenditure is it’s wage and pension bill. Using the link I had supplied for the BBC as an example, how many of these highly paid jobs are actually needed and would a realistic BBC New service be affected when they are gone?
There are the same highly paid jobs throughout the public sector and other government institutions. How many of these jobs could be cut and wouldn’t affect front-line services?
In that way, could public services actually function better with these highly paid non-jobs were cut and overall budgets were cut?
If so, an independent Scotland could provide first class public services at a fraction of the cost that the UK state currently provides.
Just going a bit-off topic, the left has always gone on about austerity from 2010 that has affected by the poorest of our society.
If you look at the actual figures, even accounting for inflation, UK government spending has increased significantly over that period. What austerity actually is that the nature of government spending has changed but where is all the money going?
Here is the thing. Is it going to a layer of bureaucracy that provides highly paid jobs like I had mentioned in my OP that provides no value whatsoever and can be cut without affecting front line services?
As I said an independent Scotland could have an efficient and possibly even better government and public services at a fraction of the cost that the bloated UK state provides.
The debate about independence should focus on that instead rather than playing the Unionist game of who can spend more even though as seen for example massive amounts of money are currently being poured into the NHS but services aren’t improving in relation to money spent on it.
Just to add as a thought from my previous reply, it’s ironic that while there is so much hate towards Reform, if a sizeable chunk of that’s parties MSP’s could be elected, they could be inadvertently beneficial to the independence debate.
It’s highly doubtful that Reform could form the next Holyrood government or be a significant power broker in one but if they are as competent as they claim to be, they could shift the debate on government expenditure where this unnecessary and expensive senior management levels that exist in the public sector are cut and the saved money can be spent on front line services.
If that did happen, the argument that public services in an independent Scotland could be delivered in a better and less expensive way.
Of course, that is wishful thinking on my part as Reform isn’t interested in the common good but privatising everything to benefit the few but they could be useful if predicated they get a smallish amount of seats in Holyrood and they provide more scrutiny on these public sector managerial layers that is draining money from our services.
the Alliance to Liberate Scotland.
Who is saying we’ll be billions in debt after independence?
What do we owe? Zero.
Who do we owe it to? No one.
Scotland is forbidden from borrowing. We don’t collect NI contributions. London does. An independent Scotland will have its own pensions when it collects NI themselves.
Forget the GERS bullshit. That’s false accounts & long been debunked. We pay in more than we get back. Our “deficit” is our share of manufactured bullshit based on London’s shopping bill. A shopping bill we neither asked for or want.
What WILL happen tho, after indy, is we’ll be in full control of ALL of our own money & resources & the UK will have to stump up our share of shared assets that we’ve paid into for centuries. They’d also no longer be taking free electricity, free Gas & Free tankers of oil.
Aye, we could do DOGE & remove the waste – starting with the massive big parasite that is called England off our backs that’s feeding for free at our expense .
Reform will do nothing in Holyrood but change rules. They’re Tories. We already have those. We don’t need anymore under a new name.
What have they done so far in Westminster? Nothing of note.
What have they done in all the councils they won? Nothing but be shouty in public meetings then ammended council rules so they can be shouty some more without being admonished for being rude.
This comes as no surprise. All they did in the EU parliament was be shouty & belligerent to everyone else under their previous guise of UKIP.
They absolutely would not bring anything at all to Holyrood. 1 seat or a majority. Unionists are there for one reason & one reason only – to serve their masters next door.
To disrupt, derail, fuck up & waste copious amounts of money, parliamentary time & useless committees to go round in circles. That’s why they don’t even bother with a manifesto cause they’re the same shit as next door. They’ve just put ‘Scottish’ in their title which should be against the electoral law because they’re not registered political parties in Scotland. They’re lackeys for another countries interests.
All they offer is to “stop Independence, say naw to Indyref2, let’s stop the SNPEEE, tell Nicola naawww! Vote us to save the Union” which should also be against electoral law because that is exactly what Scotland has voted for. They’re even admitting they’re undemocratic.
Feel free Geri, to post a link to the high quality and detailed analysis which shows that an independent Scotland would be running a budget surplus. You dismiss GERS of course, not due to any flaw in the methodology, but because it is inconvenient to your world view.
Typical behaviour of a fanatic.
GERS isn’t perfect, but it is an independently assured statistical product produced by the Scottish government. Its components and calculations are all available online, so of course you could identify which specific line item of government expenditure accrued to Scotland is too high or which tax take is too low. But you won’t of course, because that will involve some knowledge and skill, and you are only able to regurgitate things that other (equally deranged) people have said.
See AI Dan, this is why yer thick as shit.
GERS figures are based on CURRENT spending habits of being part of the Union. Spending decisions made on our behalf for pish we don’t want.
An independent Scotland won’t be part of the Union any longer now would it? It’d be FREE to make all of its own spending decisions with ALL of its own money.
The days of receiving pocket money & a note what to spend it on would be OVER.
FULL fiscal decisions. FULL tax levers. FULL & honest accounts instead of *estimates*
GERS is none of those things. Repeated ex Parasitic WM MPs admitted it was Micky mouse accounting to hide Scotlands weather from us.
McCrone wrote a high quality & detailed analysis of Scotlands wealth. We’re minted.
It needs adjusting tho because we’ve found loads more oil since he wrote it. Scotland is mega rich. Norway gives us all a good indication of exactly what’s been stolen from Scots & their bairns for the last 50+ yrs while they lived in squalor & sent down the coal mines living on a pittance.
Now there would’ve been new job creation for Scots. Out the bowels of hell & into the Oil industry. Instead the fucking parasitic English have to take their jobs too.
Thick dunce.
You keep saying I won’t answer & oh lookie, here’s another answer! Duuuuurrrrrrr! Away & give yer snow globe a shake, chump.
@ Geri
Johnny-come-lately Aidan’s is just the latest of a long series of agitators to rock up btl. He’s no pioneer with the shite he’s punting.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Aye Dan.
It’s all they’ve got. The same outdated, debunked, regurgitated bs on repeat.
Thanks for the link. AI Dan can go read it. I’m sure he’ll want to get right back to us & tell Stu where he went wrong.
Well that’s good news then isn’t it Geri – an Indy Scotland would be able to do away with all of the economists/statisticians etc. because Scotland is “minted” and that fact alone (based on something written 52 years ago) can be used to make all decisions on tax and expenditure. No data or information is required.
The McCrone “report” (which is actually not a report, it was a summary briefing note) was written at the time of a major energy supply crisis which would indeed have created a significant budget surplus. Those circumstances did not continue and certainly do not continue today, as Professor McCrone himself has said, many times. I have also demonstrated many many times that oil does not equal unimaginable wealth, as most major oil producing countries have a gdp per capita lower than Scotland! Of course you won’t pay attention to that or try to provide any serious counter narrative, because, as with all fanatics, you assess the veracity of information purely and exclusively on how closely it aligns to your pre-existing beliefs.
That’s how we end up in the absurd situation where you say that data breaking down taxation revenue and expenditure in Scotland this year is totally irrelevant, but a briefing note produced 52 years ago provides everything we need to know.
Adrian;
“GERS isn’t perfect, but it is an independently assured statistical product…”
Oh ffs, Adrian, stop it! Oh, ma sides!!!
Unionist Prick.
Shut up
I see Aidan’s channelling his inner Gavin Williamson now.
link to youtube.com
Yea see James is more like a drunk piss soaked homeless guy who keeps bothering people for change at a bus station. That’s the context.
AI Dan is getting desperate clutching at straws now.
He obviously didn’t bother to read Dan’s link where Stu gives 6 reasons why GERS is just pure fantasy..
The only countries that are worse off, despite pumping billions of barrels of oil per day, is because filthy, scummy, thieving, pedo, bastard COLONISERS STEAL IT from them. Impose sanctions, manipulate the price, block trade, commit piracy, squirrel it into a US bank account or lie, cheat & steal claiming Corporations didn’t make a profit..aye right!
You’d think, by current world events, you’d educate yourself. The whole wide world relies on oil for all manner of products, manufacturing etc & there’s currently an energy trade war going on with the EU begging to sign 100 yrs deals to get their mitts on energy security. So don’t give us the Yoon pish that it’s worthless. Have you made this announcement to the “UK” oil industry? To close production, fuck off home & put their feet up until further notice?
No one is buying yer pish. Scotland is minted. There’s all the untapped stuff too & Scotland is in an excellent geographical location for access to the Arctic too. Scotland has untold wealth because we’ve also massive maritime boundaries & other natural resources.
Scotland would be open for business. First customer would be England. No longer on a free ticket.
People will remember too that Cameron stuffed the Scots during indyref that the oil was running out. Then within a month of the NO vote he issued 100s of licences. Nawbags were pissed. A hurricane uncovered more off Shetland just a month or so after that & the English are desperate to open them. They don’t do that for *the wrong kind of oil*
As for an independent Scotland – we’d have no trouble filling civil servant, banking, tax jobs. We gave you dumb fuckers the enlightenment, central banks, cash machines etc? What did the English ever give us? A massive headache, a drug problem & debts.
There’s always plenty of countries willing to exchange know how too & international organisations. There’s plenty helping out Africa turn on electricity for the first time since they booted out the Colonisers & sharing energy security advice.
Plenty doors would open. Scots don’t have an entitled & belligerent world view of others.
You worry about yer tiny wee country & we’ll worry about ours. Get yersel prepared for separation cause it’s coming right at yea…
…away & sit down, ya FUD.
“Get yersel prepared for separation cause it’s coming right at yea”
Thursday, Geri, is that when?
Should I say “bye bye” now, or will normal service be resumed on Saturday, as you dig in for another, glorious, wonderful 5 years of you wallowing in your comfort zone:
Pointlessly and ineffectually posting endless fantasy shite on here.
Non-stop predictions that never come true, an infinity of wishes that are eternally dashed, and countless promises that always fail to be delivered.
All mixed up with the inchoate, powerless rantings, threats, insults and howlings of the terminally frustrated congenital eejit.
Looking forwards immensely to it already.
Thank you for that brilliant summary of the macroeconomics of the oil industry. All this oil being stolen by paedos and colonists sounds pretty serious though. I suppose we’ll avoid the same fate because we’ve got towering intellects like yourself to outwit the paedos haven’t we.
In the real world, nobody buys any of your nonsense explanation, but when your latest tirade is debunked you’ll just set off with another load of rabid drivel in some other direction won’t you.
And jist what are Aidan’s relevant qualifications and work experience for him to be such an expert on fossil fuel related matters…
I recall he previously stated he was always interested in learning more about oil and gas production matters; But will spend most of his time on here agitating and not actually take up the chance to discuss a recent issue that has occurred with folk that actually put the first of the subsea infrastructure on the seabed West of Shetland.
link to wingsoverscotland.com
Ballycogley Independent Orange Lodge will be taking part in the annual Orange March in Rossnowlagh on Saturday 11th of July. The Worshipful Stephen R Rea will read aloud the names of the ‘alphabetties’ to the assembled brethren at the conclusion of the march.
Rossnowlagh is in County Donegal, where neither Sturgeon’s nor Starmer’s writs run.
Yet another Opinion Poll projecting an SNP majority. I dont get it. They have had virtually zero donations and the Li-bore Party, Tories and the English NAZI Reform Party have had millions in donations. I think the Fiberals have had more in donations than the SNP.
IM
Maybe there are more queers than has been credited to date..
Not forgetting egg lovers of course..
The SNP getting a majority isn’t a bad thing!! When the UKG turns it down the SNP has going to have to reveal plan B. Which I believe they’ll state to use the next Westminster election with a majority being 50%+ of all the votes cast, which will of course be hard for the SNP to do.
I’d guess that their plan B will be the same as it’s always been, 100%. That is, to make plan A work. So, they’ll just keep on saying that “next time” they’ll get another referendum. And, as long as the requests (cap in hand) are respectfully made ad infinitum there’s a gravy train still laden with fine salaries, expenses, pension contributions and subsidised fine wining and dining coming down the tracks.
If anybody who doesn’t realise that the SNP can’t deliver independence by now isn’t going to change their mind to vote for the SNP no matter what happens in the future.
The SNP and their supporters are too caught in the devolution mindset to want independence. It’s far easier for them to continue to hold power by blaming everything on Westminster.
How, where and when,
The case for lord gray, Hansard,
Debate,
a) That the kingdoms of Scotland and England continue to be acknowledged by the law to be two distinct entities ( for as long as the union endures).
45) the articles of the union are the conditions of the Anglo- Scottish union, they are referred as such at the time of their enactment, they are the conditions of the present union,
If the union is dissolved the conditions of the articles cease to have effect,
My research from the Westminster parliament records.
Records show that The 1707 Scottish parliament ceased and was dissolved in 1707.
The parliament of Great Britain was dissolved in 1800.
The Anglo- Scottish ceased and a new with agreement with Ireland was made.
Called the Anglo- Irish agreement in 1801/ 1802,
NOT the Anglo-Scottish- Irish agreement.
It was an English parliament agreement made in 1800 after the 1707 Scottish parliament was dissolved
The Anglo- Scottish parliament was dissolved 1800, resulting in a ceased union parliament of Great Britain
Meaning that the transferred old parliament of England ( which was not dissolved ) was straight into the parliament of Great Britain were the only parliament left in the GB parliament in 1800.
Hence the agreement with Ireland is named the Anglo- Irish agreement,
Englands parliament which it rebranded as the parliament of Great Britain held NO Scottish parliament since 1707,
Twice Scotland had been dissolved and removed from the English parliament of Great Britain treaty of union that actually was the only other Country in the union agreement between England and Scotland.
The union of Countries and the 1707 treaty of union between Scotland and England ceased.
Which also ceased the agreement in that 1707 treaty that the monarch of England would become a shared monarch of Scotland also..
There has not been a Scottish parliament in the parliament of Westminster until the united kingdom of The new state of Anglo- irish parliament of Great Britain decided when joining the EU that Scotland should have some sort of representation after three hundred years had passed without Scottish parliament representation,
Hence we now have the Anglo-Irish united kingdoms pretend Scottish parliament from England that dissolved the old Scottish parliament and ceased the treaty articles, conditions and terms between Scotland and England.
Scotland regained its status as an independent Country in 1707 and in 1800 respectively. Minus a monarch.
Due to the machinations of the old parliament of England being transferred directly into the new rebranded parliament of GB. Which went forward immediately by dissolving and expelled the Scottish parliament twice.
That left only the parliament of England sitting in the parliament of GB until it made the Anglo/ Irish agreement at the beginning of the 1800s
Today The UK is the united kingdom and parliament of England and Ireland,
And does not include Scotland (twice).
These records can be checked,
Once you dissolve one of the Countries of only two parties to the 1706/07 treaty by the end of 1707.
It cannot enter into any other agreement or treaty, of the GB Westminster parliament of England and Ireland.
As the Scottish side was dissolved, extinguished, ceased.
Recognising that the elections held in Scotland are actually the elections of United kingdom of Anglo-Irish parliament agreement 1800 and doing so we are accepting the rule of Colonialism over Scotland,
If the SNP will not withdraw from Westminster even with many mandates given then the people of Scotland should.
James, have you been on the poitin?
It was the 1800 Acts of Union, there was an Anglo-Irish Agreement, but that was during Mrs T’s time – 1986 or there abouts.
Read it man!
link to legislation.gov.uk
Towbar
Don’t be too hard on “James”.
It is actually a very old lady who has sadly “lost the plot”.
She repeats the same old nonsense day after day.
OIC…I didn’t realise.
I’ll say a prayer for the poor demented old dear.
James was locked in a cupboard as a child. That’s when the voices started.
“lost the plot”
No so; James has merely confirmed what we all know, and as Liberation Scotland and Professor Robert Black confirmed, that there never was any Anglo-Scottish ‘Union’, only annexation.
In other words, instead of an ‘equal union’ we have what Elkins described as an ‘Imperial-Union’, which is essentially Fanon’s ‘colonial myth’ played out for the purpose of deceiving colonized natives handed another worthless and violated treaty by an English crown.
Meantime, oppressed groups (Scots, Irish, etc) are made subject to a British nationalism which is defined as a mix of ‘Imperial nostalgia and postcolonial melancholy’ (Foley); in contrast to the oppressed native ‘who only becomes a nationalist to free his people’ (Fanon).
Alf Baird 3:25
Aye, you and “James Che” certainly made a good pair !
Is that the sound of wedding bells I hear ?
Unfortunately for you James Che makes more sense with her contributions than you ever did with your constant support for the yoonion and the FAKE Scottish parties
No Insider is right Alf, James Cheyne has lost the plot
Even the Scottish Greens are afraid of the Tit Whisperer. A gay Jew who is best chums with Islamic cut throats. You couldn’t make this up.
He should be okay as long as he doesn’t go onto the roofs of any high building or too near to ant cranes, Mark.
Hezbollah in drag.
Any* cranes; not “Ant” cranes. My bad.
Just back from deliveting SNP both votes leaflet. Knocked them in. People seem to have forgiven (forgotten) campervangate? and Alex Salmond focussing on their dislike of Farage et al. I think we are going to do it despite the unionist press and attachments. Sure ypu will all be pleased we are back on track for an Indy ref.
It is a waste of time asking for a Section 30. Scotland isn’t going to get one whatever. The Yoons know they will lose it despite their Dirty Foreign Money Financing them.
I dont share your optimism about SNP prospects. The optimism is admirable. Sturgeon also continues to hang over the SNP and Indy Cause like an advanced stage Leper and Swinney has been dragging his heels over Indy announcements. If SNP gets a majority it will be by accident and not any well thought out plan or Indy being pushed.
You will need more than hate for Farage to win a majority. Sticking a peg over the nose wont work any longer. We have been doing it for 12 years but not this time.
These people that told you this are they still in your head?
Get a life yah toxic wee Sassanach Troll
2016 SNP list vote gained NIL seats. 2021 SNP list vote [over 1 million of them] gained 2 seats.
If those votes had gone to e.g. Alba, there would have been over 30 more pro-independence MSPs. Guaranteed.
So why, why, is the SNP telling people to throw away their list vote?
To lock out other independent parties.
Sturgeon boasted herself, live on telly, she’d rather work with yoons than with Alex Salmond back at Holyrood.
She then went on a tirade about how he should be ashamed of himself & should consider his position, he was all about his ego.
Which is rich coming from her eh? Fckn tractor…
They’re terrified of having another indy party in Holyrood. It’d not only hold them to account live on parly telly everyday but it’d also threaten their comfy grift of doing fck all.
It’ll be rigged too. 1 million votes in the bin is an easy way for the British regime to fiddle the count. I don’t think people are stupid enough to throw away their 2nd vote when predictions already show they’ve bagged the constituency.
“People seem to have forgiven (forgotten) campervangate?”
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Probably because the hearing date was conveniently moved until after the election.
As I mentioned these records of the non- union with Scotland can be researched and checked out,
The dummies are the ones too scared to check the history and we can glean they are only here for disruption and name calling.
But that places them and their ignorance of recorded records under the spotlight. So I don’t mind them having a go, it not I, that is being displayed as a dimwit, dumber and dumber come to mind.
Even if you point them in the direction where and how to find the information they don’t want to find.
Bless them.
When you are right and everyone else is wrong usually means a mental breakdown. How’s the sex change going?
Well said, James.
Raising a glass of fine malt single whiskey to Graham Linehan.
A soldier in the war against evil.
Single malt whiskey eh?
Divot.
Hahahaha:-)
I have always liked the unionist on here as they are so helpful in making my post entertaining when they display their own lack of learning. and everyone reads their comments.
They’re as thick as shit. No wonder the Eppy class shafts them. Dumb doff capping serfs only have the attention span of a gnat & can’t wander far from the fake mother ship group think or they’ll lose their whole identity & geographical location..
Anything over a sentence is information overload.
Being asked to stand on their own two feet is a tragedy!
Being asked to think outside the box & consider long term benefits is met with tumbleweed while the snow globes birl.
Dumbed down Britain. Keeping the Pedos in luxury whilst everyone else munches on austerity max to pay their lifestyle.
Pay no attention to trolls. They’re scared. It never occurs to them that they could always just move. I dunno why they stick around somewhere they don’t like. It’s not rocket science.
What a pleasure it is to wake up to yet another rabies-induced psychotic rant from Geri. Quite frankly how her/it has the nerve to call other people “thick as shit” is again evidence of a staggering lack of self awareness.
Adrian;
“He’s behind yoooooo….”
Turn round and look in the mirror.
The Farage Fear Factor, Trump Derangement Syndrome. The Tit Whisperer, Dirty Filthy Labour and Queers for Terrorists.
Yes indeed. The Left wing have a cunning strategy; Fear,hatred and delusional self-righteousness.
Just a suggestion but I wonder if AtLS has ever reached out to Phantom Power to work together?
They used to do high quality videos that reached large audiences. Factual, punchy & short enough for social media platforms.
I know they were absolutely scunnerd by Sturgeon & the SNP in the end & seem to have stopped producing them now which is a real shame because their content was really good. They did the successful Journey to Yes series too of Nawbags turned Yes after indyref that was also very popular.
SNP are where they are because of these YES groups doing the publicity when MSM wouldn’t. Liberate should resurrect some of them to get their message out there.
In other news, the excellent Double Down News channel on YouTube is now switching to a weekly show. For those interested in alternative news to the dross slop on MSM. They always have a good variety of journalists on. Monbiot doesn’t think Scotland should remain in the Union either. What’s not to like…lol
Curious to see how how the vote count for SNP could hold a majority successful outcome if people in Scotland withdrew their votes to end the Colonialism of Scotland.
If the SNP won’t withdraw from mixing with the english registered political parties and Westminster gravy train Then maybe The Scottish people should do it for them.
No point in voting for continued Colonial management of Scotland. Without a treaty between Scotland and England,
Just a personal opinion on how Scotland could reduce or delete the Colony hold, because it only works if we keep voting for it.
What % are independence supporters at that do not want to go down with the sinking ship of England and the wee boats when they that find no borders on Englands shores.
And its a legal choice, voting or not voting, spoiling ballot papers,
Over a short period of time Colonial Scotland would cease, as did the treaty in 1707.
No need to beg for permission to leave a pretend union.
Well Scots withdrew them from Westminster.
This will be SNPs first real test at Holyrood. The last Holyrood election was run on Indyref2 & came off the back of COVID, we’d officially Brexited & SNP was off to the Supreme English court for *permission*.
They’ve none of those tricks left now.
It’ll be interesting if it is a Yoon majority. Fish face will immediately lift the moratorium on Fracking, approve all the drilling, start flogging the NHS, Saddle Scots with lifetime debts & end all Mitigation.
Tory policies for Nawbags, no mitigation blankie provided!
‘Living the dream, baby!’ LOL
I’d love to be a fly on their wall if that happened. It’d be fine hilarious.
As I said before. You have no choice but to vote for the Drag Queens. Your arrogance and ignorance won’t allow you to vote for anyone else.
Hate is a powerful and destructive force.
Don’t be a Dumbo.
Everyone going into a polling station doesn’t go there to vote for a candidate they dislike do they?
They don’t think to themselves “I better vote for the Psycho dunce that’ll make my life worse just sose I’m not accused of being hateful” D’oh.
That’s just Yoon logic tho. Same as Bitter Togethers No1 hit single that “politics is so divisive” ummmm.. fucking HELLO?! Don’t they know what politics & democracy is?
Well, it IS true to say that “everyone” won’t be going into those polling booths clutching their pearls about the police treatment of some knife-wielding maniac on the streets, Geri. In fact, I’d think it’s fair to say zero fucks will be given at all by most, less still any concerns about shadowy “foreign actors”. 🙂
Well you won’t be as you’re south of the border.
“foreign actors”…..you’re including yourself, then.
Damn straight I won’t be, Fatso.
If it were up to me (and most other non-lefties) he’d be handcuffed on a one-way flight back to where he came from, stripped of British citizenship.
“He’s yours, make sure he doesn’t come back plse thanks” 🙂
You’re posting under 2 names now?
Two names better than two (eight?) chins.
The Farage Fear Factors,
What about the batshit crazy green goblins,
The Tit Whisperer. Pay attention.
1. ote Counting: Each party’s total votes are counted.
2. Initial Quotient: For the first seat, each party’s quotient is simply its total votes, as no seats have yet been allocated.
3. Seat Allocation: The party with the highest quotient wins the first seat.
4. Recalculation: After a party wins a seat, its vote total is divided by the number of seats it has already won plus one. For example, if a party has won one seat, its votes are divided by 2; if it has won two seats, divided by 3, and so on.
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5. Repeat: Steps 3 and 4 are repeated until all seats are allocated.
Party Votes Round 1 Round 2 Round 3
A 300 300 150 150
B 210 210 105 105
C 120 120 120 120
• Round 1: Party A has the highest votes (300) and wins the first seat. Its votes are then divided by 2 for the next round (300 ÷ 2 = 150).
• Round 2: Party B now has the highest quotient (210) and wins the second seat. Its votes are divided by 2 for the next round (210 ÷ 2 = 105).
• Round 3: Party A’s adjusted total (150) is now the highest, so it wins the third seat. Its votes are divided by 3 for any subsequent rounds (300 ÷ 3 = 100),.
Hope some folk read this so that they can see ‘both votes SNP’ are utterly wasteful.
“Hope some folk read this so that they can see ‘both votes SNP’ are utterly wasteful. “
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Like the Labour Party of old, the SNP once had an ideal: Socialism (Labour party ideal); Scottish independence (SNP Ideal)
Labour evolved into a movement of entitled rent-seekers and the post-Sturgeon SNP is in the process of doing exactly the same.
If you truly believe in Scottish independence then it is time to vote strategically and do what you can to damage the main block in the road: the SNP.
#No Votes SNP.
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Unlike a lot of people on here I have never voted SNP and never will do.
Labour evolved into a lot more than that.
They’re more sly & devious than the Tories. At least the Tories told you they were untrustworthy barstewards.
Labour did it with a smile.
It’s a wonder they’re not back to counting the dead as a vote for Labour..yet.
I remember Nicola when she first took over, at an event in Edinburgh, addressing the audience “I’ll never take yer votes for granted & if you think I ever do, let me know”
I reminded her of it on X. Multiple mandates squandered. I also reminded her of the wee story she told about the old man that brought her teacakes at a polling station to thank her cause he finally had something to vote for.
Knt.
I hope he haunts her every day.
Agent,
Good for you.
We’re all out of lollipops today tho. Try again in another five years.
agentx
4 May, 2026 at 12:07 pm
“Unlike a lot of people on here I have never voted SNP and never will do.”
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That tells us nothing.
For all we know you could be 16 years old and never voted for anybody.
I am, alas, a LOT older than that and have voted for several different political parties before my conversion to opposing the Union. Even then, I can almost match your record, having voted SNP only once.
Never again. Same as your declared future.
But, frankly, I don’t see the sense of a diehard YOON like you not voting SNP. Believe me, the BBC Union is in no safer hands than Swinney’s mercenary Uncle Tams, devoUnionists every one, “bought and sold for English gold”.
Therefore, I urge independence supporters, to join both you and me in,
#No Votes SNP
And spare a thought for those of us who spent sixty years supporting the SNP, always voting and often canvassing. Then those further years of profoundest grieving as we struggled to process the desolating realisation that Nicola Sturgeon was deliberately sabotaging everything. Not just independence. Everything. And now these further ongoing years when stone-faced spectre Swinney shamefully guards Sturgeon’s malignest of heritages.
Fearghas MacFhionnlaigh says:
4 May, 2026 at 3:14 pm
“And spare a thought for those of us who spent sixty years supporting the SNP, always voting and often canvassing. Then those further years of profoundest grieving as we struggled to process the desolating realisation that Nicola Sturgeon was deliberately sabotaging everything.”
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I knew a couple of Island friends and neighbours, devoted to the Gaelic language. Between them they put in well over a century of exactly the hard work you describe. Worst of all, before they died, they thought the world of Sturgeon who utterly betrayed them and thousands of good, decent people like them. And her heirs, headed by Swinney, are running the show and running the cause of Scottish independence into the ground.
“Cynicus says:
4 May, 2026 at 2:21 pm
agentx
That tells us nothing.
For all we know you could be 16 years old and never voted for anybody.”
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I have voted in every election since I became eligible to vote in 1968.
I have lived in Scotland since 1998 amd have voted in every general election and Scottish election since then.
Geri @ 1.34
She doesn’t have the self awareness for that, that’s quite clear in her comments about Salmond.
Classic narcissistic behaviour..
Scotland simply removes the Colonial political parties from Scotland wether they are english registered and at the same time remove the mandates from the SNP they never used and return the choice back to the people of Scotland.
It would not take many Scottish elections to reduce and eventual delete Colonialism , faster than the mandates given to the SNP for sure.
And faster than the other registered political parties at the moment running their united Anglo-Irish parliament and Country into ruin.
Scotland does not have to help, aid or contribute to this, united Anglo- Irish agenda.
Its time the power and decisions were returned back to the people in Scotland.
As the BBC always like to say;
‘This is what we know so far’
People on Wings with fake names are very keen on advocating violence. Should we name and shame them?
Will it effect their Benefits if we did?
Go for it, “Brains”.
Who’s “we” btw?
Beggars
Why, did it affect your Benefits Adolf – “old boy”?
I shall be voting Alliance/Liberate on the List at this coming election. I shall be doing so with a heavy heart because, while I fully understand and respect the Alliance/Liberate stance on ‘independence and nothing else’, if they are elected, they cannot sit in Holyrood, and every time a policy is debated, say, “independence and nothing else’ because it will simply not wash.
They will be forced to either vote or to abstain on a wide range of policies, which, if the Greens ally with the SNP again, not impossible, however they vote or don’t vote will be taken note of and will affect their chances, for good or ill, in 2030. If the SNP allies with the Greens again, or Labour or the Lib Dems, more pro ‘trans’ and ‘woke’ policies are sin the pipeline. Remember, the GGRB and self-ID are still waiting in the wings.
There already exists a ‘Party of Women’, set up by the indomitable and clever Kellie Jay Keen-Minshull, in England. Perhaps it is time for women here to stand up for themselves and set up ‘The Party of Scottish Women’, independent of the English one, in time for the 2030 Holyrood election? We cannot rely on any of the parties to support women’s rights when push comes to shove and they have to placate the ‘woke’ and the various groups of women’s rights activists are not necessarily in favour of independence.
I know that this seems to be rejecting party politics as is, but women have been so betrayed by all the mainstream parties that one dedicated just to women’s issues as they arise, to independence itself and the post independence landscape for women and girls, appears to be long overdue. I can think of so many policies, both up here and at Westminster, in the past ten years alone, which have totally ignored any separate female dimension and/or the detriment attaching to being female in so many instances where policy is set for the default human – the male. Not having a go at men, many of who do support women and girls, but I feel that this fight is ours, predominantly. What do people think, particularly the female BTL commentators, but also the men?
Have you ever heard or followed Eva Comrie?
In a handbags at dawn showdown with the TRA, my money would be on Eva ….every.single.time.
They’ll vote with their conscience on other stuff passing through the talking shop – without fear or favour. As it should be. Zero party whip haranguing & threatening them. Add in Ash Regan too if she wins her seat as an independent.
I agree with Highland Wifey. A woman’s political party would be a non starter. It’d be the idea target to be bogged down with eejits taking out complaints & possible legal challenges before it even started.
I seem to remember Kellie only targeting council elections?
I haven’t watched her for a while tho so things may have changed.
That’d be the ideal place to test something like an alliance of women independents because council level is where all the action is in terms of schools & public services.
@Lorncal
“We cannot rely on any of the parties to support women’s rights when push comes to shove and they have to placate the ‘woke’ and the various groups of women’s rights activists are not necessarily in favour of independence.”
I would say you cannot rely on any of the left wing and/or independence parties to support women’s rights – which isn’t quite the same of course. In fact, Reform very much can be relied upon to support women’s rights (being a right wing party, where GC views are deeply entrenched/fundamental). However, they are also a unionist party, which from a GC critical, women’s rights supporting independence supporter’s presents a dilemma: it comes down to personal priorities and compromise. Which of these is most important to you?
If I were to look at this from a Scottish perspective, it seems to me there is a huge gap in the market: where is the independence supporting, right wing political party? Plenty of people – including Scots – are right-leaning. They believe in the enterprise economy, meritocracy, an end to ever-spiraling benefits culture, reduced and controlled immigration. They want “woke” out of our schools and institutions – and a good proportion of them want independence too. They know that Scotland needs to drop the idiotic “Nut Zero”, open its oil fields, drill for shale gas, retake its national resources (yes, nationalising them where appropriate). They know Scotland needs to have a revitalised private sector with enterprise zones, low corporation tax (low tax full stop) investment incentives, so the country can build and prosper again, pay for public services from sustainable revenue, not endless debt. What’s not to like?
These minor splinter parties that you mention are single issue, ultra-left wing pressure groups, unlikely to be on board with the things that actually concern you (and many others), as most of it harks from the Left in any event? Don’t you think a better, more cohesive, comprehensive, persuasive offer is needed?
I’d also take issue with this “women only” approach – many, many “ordinary” men, myself included, strongly support women’s rights, including rights to safe spaces and all the rest. We have wives, daughters, women and girls whom we love and care about. The premise of feeling there’s a need for single sex exclusory parties is a little unfortunate: “all men think like X” or have “tendency for Y”; such over-simplistic, sweeping broad brush sentiments aren’t grounded in actual reality (and actually are the genesis of misandry/misogyny, with all due respect).
In fairness to Geri, I also agree that such a thing would be a red flag to the perpetually offended piling in on social media, drowning out any message you may have with their noise.
It seems to a forgone conclusion that the SNP will win the election.
I hope to God that no channel has got Sturgeon lined up to do the election night news coverage!
Lorncal says “Perhaps it is time for women here to stand up for themselves and set up ‘The Party of Scottish Women’, independent of the English one, in time for the 2030 Holyrood election?”
It’s a non starter I’m afraid. Look what happened to the Women’s Equality Party when the men in frocks decided they should be included. Too many women are their own worst enemies. In any case the ISP will always stand up for women. Too bad if some aren’t sensible enough to vote for our independence.
Wife: you make fair points. I know that ISP stands up for women, but they are not standing everywhere, and no party actually gives equal priority to female issues and those issues that affect women. There is no such thing as a default human and women n need to understand that. The most crucial point is that these men would not be welcome and can, legitimately and legally, be kept out, so that is a non-starter. Kellie Jay Keen’s ‘Party of Women’ does not tolerate any male intrusion. As for too many women being their own worst enemies, I couldn’t agree more. This type don’t wait for Gilead to come to them; they rush to meet it!